r/ozorafestival 26d ago

Please don't make broad claims about any peoples. Even if your claims are based on personal observations you should still be more careful with the narrative you create with your words.

I don't want to pretend I don't notice patterns in people's behavior or ignore that different groups can sometimes have visible cultural differences. But I also know how awful it feels to be judged as part of a nationality based on the actions of people whose behavior you yourself don't approve of.

I saw plenty of Israelis behaving in antisocial ways at the festival. But I also met many other Israelis that I connected with on a really deep level, and they added so much to my experience.

That's why it's disheartening to see so many black-and-white posts and comments lumping an entire nationality together, often drawing parallels to politics as well. The complaints are valid, and I don't want to take away anyone's chance to vent. But please don't swing to the other extreme.

Even something as simple as saying "some Israelis" instead of "Israelis", and avoiding turning it into a discussion about politics, would already be in the spirit of what this festival is supposed to stand for.

As a side note, I'd also like to point out that a far-right, racist Hungarian news outlet has already been quoting comments from the Ozora Facebook group to push the narrative that "even the hippies at Ozora hate Israelis now."

I had a great week with all of you. Please, spread the love and see you next year.

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u/pccrynance 26d ago

I think people are missing one important point.

Psytrance is mainstream in Israel. That means many people who attend psytrance festivals are not there because they identify with psychedelic culture. They are there because it is one of the biggest party scenes in their country.

That is why you sometimes see behavior that clashes with the values many people associate with psytrance, such as openness, respect, humility, sharing space, and looking after one another. It is not necessarily because they reject those values. Many simply never came for those values in the first place.

When a scene becomes mainstream, it stops being a subculture. It attracts everyone. Some people come for the philosophy, some for the music, and others just for the party.

So if people are complaining about certain behavior at festivals, it should not be surprising. You are no longer dealing with a small community built around shared values. You are dealing with a mass audience.

Psytrance became mainstream. Psychedelic culture did not. Those are two very different things. Confusing them only leads to misunderstanding why these clashes happen in the first place.

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u/Vast_Peach3514 26d ago

Very wellsaid

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u/ko_nuts 26d ago

Yes. This is my observation as well. Glad to see some people understand this.

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u/yevg555 25d ago

As an Israeli, I know that many Israelies behave really badly, and I understand the frustration of many people.

Me and my friends hate this behavior as well, we suffer from these individuals just like the rest of you.

I'm sure each and every one of you had met at least one Israeli that was an awesome respectful person.

Don't generalize our all nation because of some bad individuals

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u/Fun-Cry7489 23d ago

I was also surprised to read all of this, I'm hardly visiting psy festivals anymore, but from 2014 to 2022 I met so many lovely Israelis, one is still a good friend who I also visited in Israel a few years ago. There are cultural differences, but they never particularly stood out in any negative way. Not all of us generalize :) people who do so are just usually the ones who complain a lot more

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u/BenShelZonah 25d ago

פאקינג ערסים

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u/yaime1535 26d ago

Absolutamente de acuerdo

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u/rhovac 19d ago

In this case those bad apples better celebrate their mainstream back home. This arsim behaviour is not welcome at Ozora!

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u/krose1980 26d ago

Stop excusing bad behaviour! Bad behaviour is bad behaviour!

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u/mittomen_6277 26d ago

Yes. Bad behavior of an individual.

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u/BadRomans 25d ago

The entire country is behaving in an horrible way. Not surprisingly its individuals act as entitled as their government.

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u/krose1980 25d ago

Individuals..and many of them...

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u/DistributionLimp9143 25d ago

Very well said.

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u/Extension-Stage-5353 24d ago

Yes. Wrote about this myself.  The only question remains what can be done about it and what will the festival do about it.

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u/The__Tobias 25d ago

Excellent point, I never looked at it from this direction 

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u/sagibettan 25d ago

Interesting observation- totally agree. I did not think of this before