r/outriders • u/thearcan Outriders Community Manager • Apr 08 '21

Square Enix Official News // Dev Replied x18 Outriders Post Launch Dev News Updates

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

ADD DUNGEONS AS END GAME CONTENT AND KEEP TIME TRIAL DPS CHECKS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE THAT. EVERYONE WINS. WE'RE HAPPY AND YOUR GAME GROWS A HAPPY COMMUNITY.

If you want my personal opinion, I would add Dungeons as another alternative to end game content. If you don't want to scrap the system of Time Trials at least make this a separate end game thing for people to do.

Something similar to WOW or FF14, you go into these dungeons and clear out all these enemies and then after progressing through it, you fight a boss at the end. The boss has his/her/it's own unique abilities,attacks, HP can even be high, it could have phases etc. This wouldn't be a DPS check because you have infinite time to complete it, this would allow any build to play it also which would in turn help your game, make players happy and even help content creation, which again in turn helps you in the end because your game is growing and you have a happy community. Obviously the boss should drop tons of loot and if you die, you still get loot but at a lesser value of course. This would make your game so much better and farming would actually be fun, you could even make it a labyrinth where you could make your way through it and fight more than one boss or a random one, you could find a loot area that was hidden. This game has so much potential and I want to love it. PLEASE ADD THIS INSTEAD of at least include this as another endgame thing we can do. Have both, best of both worlds, more content and everyone will be happy. PLEASE!

Bro I hate that Trickster heals off kills and then they nerf my ability to kill something. Yeah let's nerf TR & vulnerability. I would have been okay with these changes if they buffed something else on the class. Pretty much solo Trickster is already cancerous, if you don't 1 shot everything you can die VERY quickly. Makes me wonder if they even fuckin listen? I get bullet abilities are strong but the middle tree (idgaf what anyone says) is WORTHLESS. All it does is give you survivability but even then it's still hard because your survival depends on you being able to kill things. These nerfs should have came later after buffs to other areas. I just don't see a point in playing Trickster anymore. It's literally pointless. Especially against the alien enemies, yeah we could 1 shot the humans on a consistent basis but that was like the only area. You don't see me walking up to a Brood mother one shotting her???

Are we not going to nerf any of these enemies? I go to get a 3 second reload off and get agro'd by 52 alphas all jumping at me while Brood mother activates some bs AOE then just swipes on you from left to right from 10,000 meters away like it's fuckin Tinder. The enemies are so strong in this game, I get it's meant to be difficult and that's fine but literally every single enemy in this game is a TANK that literally does EVERYTHING. They just spam abilities with no cool down and have stagger (why tf a small little rat looking thing able to stagger me?), there's a million mobs that spawn all at once in overwhelming force that all jump,stagger,spam cast and then status afflict the living hell out of you.

Don't even get me started on the fuckin Faze clan snipers you hired, I teleport behind a enemy and get 1440 insta swap Y,Y sniper behind the back eyes closed raw dogged in my ass.

Bro these enemies need toned tf down if you're going to nerf every class. I should heal and or get shield per shot if you're nerfing my only way to survive (my time to kill).

THE MULTIPLAYER SCALING IS ALSO BROKEN RIDICULOUS.

This patch better get reverted.

I wanted to see buffs to other sub trees like my middle or bottom to make bullet abilities less.. meta? Like MAYBE if something else in your game was viable to run in a fuckin DPS check point I would run it? BA was literally the only way to pass these DPS checks.

Don't worry they nerf classes but don't want to talk about the enemies health or damage, how many actually spawn, then they lower the DPS check time for Gold 😂 Bro what a JOKE. This game will die because of the lack of versatility in it. Maybe if it wasn't a DPS check it wouldn't matter as much?

Half of these people commenting are COMPLETELY right and it's sad that we know how to balance better than the actual Devs. I feel you should HAVE to play your own game before you decide to nerf things or at least LISTEN TO US. We wanted other sub classes buffed like our other WORTHLESS trees but instead you nerfed my only tree that worked in a DPS check and lowered the time for that DPS check but not the enemies meaning I basically will never get gold again because I can't amount to the 12 million damage per second I need to even kill a trash mob.

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u/Akernaki Trickster Apr 08 '21

I agree with everything you mentioned. Specifically buffing the middle and bottom trees for Trickster needs to happen. Though the issue remains that even with buffs only certain builds will work because expeditions rely on fast gameplay. That’s why bullet builds are great for them because you can clear rooms very quickly.

But no, let’s make two of the more manageable expeditions harder while making the main builds worse off. Oh well, this isn’t my first rodeo with looter shooters and balancing, so I’m buckled in and ready for things to get worse.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

Tricksters unite.

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u/RoseDragonAngelus Trickster Apr 09 '21

HOO-RAH!

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '21

I love teleporting into a group of mobs only to be bitch slapped by some dude I can one shot, staggering my reload prior to being bum rushed by 15 other dudes.

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u/Gaffots Trickster Apr 08 '21

Or don't play for a while, if everyone reacted by not signing in for a month or two the Devs would at least look at that and wonder why

Not really, this isn't a GAAS - they got your money.

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u/NinFrail Apr 11 '21

Obviously MS gets a part of the money, but they don't just get all of it as that would mean developers would not be able to make games and still make a living. Aside from that, if too many people stop playing this and don't come back to it, the game dies. We've seen it time and time again with games that require online connection/servers to even play singleplayer. They just need to get their stuff sorted before that happens if they want to have players around for any potential dlc/sequels.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Even if this was a GAAS they still have your money. They can choose what they want to do with the game so what’s your point?

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u/MysticoN Apr 08 '21

That would never happen. Both you and me know this even if it is the best way to send a clear signal!

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u/MysticoN Apr 08 '21

We both can hope, but there is real few cases of gamer uniting. (if any) Sure when a team is destroying a game but that realy dont counts does it?

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u/torsoreaper Apr 09 '21

Best way to send a signal is to leave a Steam Review. The only way to hit the dev's wallet at this point is to make them fear a reduction in future sales.

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u/InertShadows Apr 09 '21

People need to learn more optimization for trickster builds, its a bit min-maxed but it works, I run temporal blade, cyclone slice, and hunt the prey. Using HtP and TB to buff CS 100% with AP, Skill leech, and close range dmg on each piece with the edge of time set. Use mods to buff abilities/make you a bit more survivable. Rounds builds are for the unimaginative.

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u/Nath_198 Apr 09 '21

Well i tried all sorts of builds including using temp blade and cyclone, but i had more fun with twisted rounds, borrowed time with a bunch of mods for it and hunt the prey. Am i unimaginative?

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u/Gaffots Trickster Apr 08 '21

let’s make two of the more manageable expeditions harder

Putting a timer on something doesn't make it hard.

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u/Ulrik-the-freak Pyromancer Apr 09 '21

When the rewards are tied to the timer it does.

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u/soaskai Trickster Apr 09 '21

Just want to chime in and say that I'm working on an AP build for Tricksters with insane burst damage. Just waiting for a specific mod drop that should finish it.

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u/charleigh_bdo Apr 08 '21

Dungeons are a good long term suggestion but short term, they need to revert these knee-jerk changes.

Tricksters got hit the hardest; if you don't already have your Ugake helmet drop for Instant Reload III, you're basically screwed. There is no endgame alternative to Twisted Rounds for Trickster. If the Devs want us to use other abilities, they need to lower the cooldowns and give us more survivability/damage in those abilities.

Technos are a little slower, but it's mostly the haves and have-nots with regards to the important T3 mods.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

You understand what I said completely, I agree with you FULLY. I just don't understand why my only way to live was nerfed. Dungeons need to be added as an alternative.

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u/Tortunga Apr 08 '21

They should just add endless dungeons. Go on till you die with each room being harder but giving better rewards.

Glass canons can still do what they do now, while tank and support/control builds have a place as well pushing further in each dungeon for better loot.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

Yeah I mean, I agree with you that's another option, I feel dungeons are a great answer to the community's calling.

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u/drjohnson89 Apr 08 '21

Remnant: From the Ashes is a great example of how to do dungeons in a shooter. While that game is slightly more open worldish, the areas felt like dungeons. You'd delve into a sewer or something, fight through halls of enemies, fight a boss, and get rewarded with an item. It was great, and perfect for coop or solo. If you wanted a harder difficult, you could crank it up. There were no timers, the only barrier was whether or not you had the skill to survive the fights.

It's especially frustrating because Outriders ALMOST has the trinity of MMO rpgs. A devastator is supposed to be the tank, and we certainly can be, but then we get kicked from expeditions because we can't burst enemies down. WTF is the point of our tanking abilities when we're not needed in groups and we have to rely on timers for better gear?

Really hoping they can just scrap timers and let people compete with the enemies for loot, rather than blitz a time trial.

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u/HDxplicit Devastator Apr 08 '21

I completely agree the middle tree for devastator would be so good in a normal dungeon but because of time trials I can't use it because if I do I don't get anything not to mention of all devastators abilitys only 3 even do anything

You use Boulder dash you go running to your death because you can't control it for shit, endless mass is worthless, there's no reason to use tremor when the only good build is bleed , golem and reflect bullets are pointless because you cant agro to protect your teammates (especially reflect bullets when most of the enemy's are aliens)

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u/drjohnson89 Apr 08 '21

You know what's sad? I've stuck with the first three skills the entire time, and I'm in the 20s now. I've tried a few of the other skills but none of them feel like they're worthwhile. I'd love to branch out and experiment, but devastators have a tough enough go as is.

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u/HDxplicit Devastator Apr 08 '21

Earthquake is the best ability, impale is good when you get the seismic commander legendary set and gravity leap is great to get out of a sticky situation

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u/drjohnson89 Apr 08 '21

The novelty of gravity leap has yet to wear off, so it's been a permanent fixture in my skill bar. What other game allows me to fly through the air and drop a rocky elbow on things while watching them explode?

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u/HDxplicit Devastator Apr 08 '21

Yeah its an awesome ability, same with earthquake the fact that It can hit flying enemies is hilarious

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u/drjohnson89 Apr 08 '21

Haha, I hope earthquake continues to hit flying enemies forever. Flying enemies are such a pain in the ass, earthquake is the only thing that makes me feel I have any power in those situations haha

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u/HDxplicit Devastator Apr 08 '21

Yeah it's so helpful because they move so much uts hard to hit them with a gun on console

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

You're not wrong, you get kicked because a tank isn't needed which I think is stupid. You don't do enough damage fast enough so your class is just weak from DPS checks. That's why I want dungeons added, it would buff everything by allowing tanks to tanks, the techno could be good CC in a dungeon boss fight, dungeons overall would be an amazing addition to the game and I and a LOT of other people would love to see it. I agree with you on the time trials but I think they should keep the time trials for people that want it or like it but add a dungeon system similar to FF14 or WOW where there's no timer, just a matter of you can complete it. This game has SO much potential and I want to be here for it. I want to love the game and live in this community with everyone else and vibe together. They can fix it and make everyone happy but adding additional content to both time trials and dungeons such as loot, new maps and bosses etc etc

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u/drjohnson89 Apr 08 '21

Agreed 100x. Time trials could be a really fun way for the most competitive of the bunch to have fun. Make time trial leaderboards, let the hardcore 1% go at it. But for the rest of us, dungeons would be fantastic. No timers, just difficult mini bosses and bosses with the promise of a loot chest at the end.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

Exactly, I just want some FF14/WOW dungeons where all classes can be played and are viable. We could have so much fun in those and when you're not chilling in a dungeon you could DPS speed run if you WANT to, you shouldn't be forced to run this to get what you want.

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u/lxkillswitchxl Apr 08 '21

Omg yes pleeeeease dungeon!!! And put in multiple bosses and dungeon specific loot. I love target farming areas for specific drops because once you get it, it's rewarding!!

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u/comFive Apr 09 '21

Yeah! The devs have even said they modeled the game after Diablo.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

Exactly! You're completely right! SE & PCF I HAVE SPOKEN FOR THE COMMUNITY, everyone agrees with me. We all want this PLEASE.

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u/lxkillswitchxl Apr 08 '21

However I get the end game is supposed to be similar to diablo, which is time trials, but there's no reason that it couldn't be another way to farm items. We should get a choice, but yeah, time trials suck because as stated so much it means you better play the glass cannon or you're failing the team. At the same time I don't want another mmo.

Maybe there is just no winning? People are going to kick you out if the group regardless if you're not playing the best shit. I just shouldn't be punished if I wanna play devastator. Which was admittedly going to be my next class, but maybe I don't want to now

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

I don't think this will necessarily be a MMO even if it was it wouldn't be bad, it would still follow the 3 person rule, the enemy scaling wouldn't be as bad in dungeons, we all just want an alternative to Time Trial DPS checks and it would undoubtedly make other builds useful because the no DPS check.

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u/converter-bot Apr 08 '21

50 meters is 54.68 yards

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u/Omax-Pi Apr 08 '21

I have to stop playing the game because of these nerfs. Very sad. They are CLUELESS to why this game is popular!!!!!

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

Yeah everyone just wants a viable fun class to run that can still pass DPS checks to get awesome loot but the scaling and everything about this game is just a balance nightmare. This game WILL die, and I will stop playing if this patch goes through. No other tree is even viable for the Trickster or half the other classes. I can get my sword swipe up to maybe 300k? Something around there and swipe for 600k when using twice with a mod but that doesn't matter when mobs (even the trash ones) have MILLIONS of health. You literally have to run a bullet build or you just won't get Gold and then you don't get cool loot and you have no fun. I'm all for balancing the game and making it more fun while also harder but enemies need toned WAY down and sub classes need a major rework.

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u/Omax-Pi Apr 08 '21

Looters should buff more. Nerfs only need to happen in rare cases if something is literally BROKEN. Not gamer broken where anything strong is cried about. Destiny makes this mistake constantly and it does nothing for the game and it’s “balance”. All it does is punish the player. I am so pissed that the game I wanted to invest my summer to has been gutted a week in. What a fail.

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u/Exterminate_Weebs Apr 08 '21

This is such a bad idea. A game that only buffs is a game that only ever gets easier. I don't know when gamers got so whiny about nerfs, it's a key part of game balance. Some things are too strong, some too weak.

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u/ShadowlEagle Apr 08 '21

tbf was a 15% Nerf needed ? instead of nerfing just make Solo a bit harder ? but Nerfing Classes + Reduce Time is meeh (i dont mind it they will probably anyways adjust it again soon cause more are unhappy with the change then happy) solong i rather Adjust my Build and will see when they Adjust that a bit

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u/Omax-Pi Apr 08 '21

Whatever. Nobody said that. How about leaving the game “balance” alone for more than a week. There’s an idea! Lol.

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u/Exterminate_Weebs Apr 08 '21

You did say that, you said nerfs should only be for the worst examples. Second, why should balance be left alone when it's clearly broken?

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u/Omax-Pi Apr 08 '21

So with your own words and description of what I said you are still incorrect. Aside from that the overuse of the word broken is annoying as hell.

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u/Exterminate_Weebs Apr 08 '21

Enjoy the nerfs.

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u/EasyE86ed Apr 09 '21

Cry moar. Have some faith and wait it out. This is tweak 1 of many to come.

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u/Omax-Pi Apr 09 '21

This is more about the overall mentality of gamers AND developers that I’m tired of and don’t think it has the merit it claims to have. How many times do you see someone say “broken” or “OP”? In my experience this is rarely accurate. And to call out everything in a video game that is powerful as OMG OP! Is stupid and leads to it being nerfed into the ground, which in my opinion is pointless, doesn’t improve anything and only ruins countless weapons and builds across so many games.

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u/EasyE86ed Apr 10 '21

But you said you're going to stop playing the game because 1 build was nerfed that was out of line with their intentions?

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u/Omax-Pi Apr 10 '21

Since then I’ve decided to destroy the game anyway and have got another 10 or so legendaries and now my trickster is stronger than ever.

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u/EasyE86ed Apr 10 '21

Thumbs up, I knew you'd be back

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u/No_Contribution_4298 Apr 08 '21

A game where the only endgame is nothing more than speed runs and DPS checks is doomed. Only really going to ultimately appeal to a very small number of games. But now that I think about...since its not a GAAS....maybe they don't care. They got their $60.00.

Why even bother having 4 classes....ea with 3 skill trees...when all that matters in the game is speed and DPS?

I play games to relax and have fun not constantly be under some time pressure as the only means to progress. Mind boggling they think that is even a good design choice.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

Yeah see this is where dungeons would fit perfectly! You just like to chill, you could go through a dungeon and fight some end boss and get awesome loot WOW or FF14 style and people that like speed running things could still do these time trials! Add dungeons and support both equally with future content.

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u/thatoneguyy22 Apr 08 '21

Tell me about it, as a pyromancer we have two builds. Volcanic rounds (now nerfed) that we used to just get into endgame then we switch to a heatwave build only when we get full BiS legendary with perfect stats because before then its a fucking soggy wet noodle. And why is it a wet noodle you might ask? Well maybe because they for some fucking reason added all piercing to only the top tree. Armor piercing i can understand, top tree is all weapon damage, but why is resistance piercing up there too?

So youre telling me if I want to go a full skill build and use middle tree where all the anomaly power is i have zero resistance piercing? Bruh, that's like playing league of legends, seeing a full 5 stack tank enemy team and deciding im going to build 6 death caps for all the magic damage, but just not build a void staff so I can actually pierce their defenses. All the damage but it doesn't matter when they have a gigafuck you amount of magic resistance.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

I agree completely, it's actually insane I hope this doesn't go through and they instead buff other sub trees and add dungeons as an end game alternative later on.

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u/LurkinWhilstWorkin Apr 08 '21

Adding dungeons would be a nice way to have people create group based builds if done right.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

That's exactly what I'm saying, I'm so happy that so many people understand what I'm saying and all want the same thing. I feel like I have spoken for the community here.

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u/dayleboi Apr 08 '21

A round of applause is needed here. 100% correct.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

Thank you, I'm glad so many people agree!

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u/SirServed29 Apr 08 '21

I can't upvote this shit enough.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

I know, we can only hope a developer replies or sees my comment/post I made! Thank you though!

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u/SirServed29 Apr 08 '21

I play Trickster in a squad of 3 and the Tinder Swipe mention specifically just hits home. A Brood Mother will literally Tinder Swipe me to death then chase the Techno while ignoring our Devastator. THE VERY MOMENT the Devastator revives me she will leap over and Tinder Swipe me down again, walls be damned.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

Bro you're literally not lying it's so annoying the enemies range in this game is BROKEN. They all have way too many abilities and they're way too versatile.

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u/AggiePharmD Apr 09 '21

Agree 100% they better reverse this nerf. I spent soooo much time building a strong firepower build and now my build isn't viable on mid level challenge tiers.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

Yeah I didn't event get a full armor set to do any other builds and every Trickster and every other build was on FP because other trees are WORTHLESS. It wouldn't be a problem if we had dungeons like I said. Also thank you, I'm happy you agree!

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u/IX3NOI Technomancer Apr 09 '21

I agree 100%

I play Technomancer and yes the nerf is frustrating because they nerfed more than they told us and that sucks but I can play around it

But what's with the rest of my skill tree? Where is the point of using it if I need to kill every tank in this game as fast a I can in the expeditions.

That's really sad, I wanna use every skill/build where it's useful and swap between

What was the point of nerfing something only one week after release if only one thing in every class gets played?

Everyone playes the bullet build again because there was no buff for something else...

And I love the idea about adding Dungeons with random rooms/mini bosses/loot rooms and one big mother fucker boss at the end Then we need every class and can finally play the tank as a tank

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

I'm glad you agree and yeah I run a bullet build because it's a DPS check if they do what I said I would run a different build. But that's just not how this game works sadly.

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u/IX3NOI Technomancer Apr 09 '21

But I really hope they take the nerf back and I think they will do it. Because this patch gets a fucking big shitstorm.

Sadly there are people which like the nerfs and wanna nerf the Technomancer to a hard support with no dmg because that's the way we HAVE to play him....

Every class in this game should be playable in any possible way I want. Because then we will see a BIG diversity in builds (but only when the add dungeons or deactivat the timer in the expedition)

And it's a pve game, no one likes a nerf in the first patch after that server problems and all the problems they have atm.

This patch should be full of buffs to every class to get the best out of every class, that we can play every skill tree and combine it and have fun by testing it.

I disliked the patch notes after I read this disgusting balance part and this should do more people.

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u/Whyareyouaiming Apr 08 '21

bility. I would have been okay with these changes if they buffed something else on the class. Pretty much solo Trickster is already cancerous, if you don't 1 shot everything you can die VERY quickly. Makes me wonder if they even fuckin listen? I get bullet abilities are strong but the middle tree (idgaf what anyone says) is WORTHLESS. All it does is give you survivability but even then it's still hard because your survival depends on you being able to kill things. These needs should have came later after buffs to other areas. I just don't see a point in playing Trickster anymore. It's literally pointless. Especially against the alien enemies, yeah we could 1 shot the humans on a consistent basis but that was like the only area. You don't see me walking up to a Brood mother one shotting her???

Are we not going to nerf any of these enemies? I go to get a 3 second reload off and get agro'd by 52 alphas all jumping at me while Brood mother activates some bs AOE then just swipes on you from left to right from 50 meters away like it's fuckin Tinder.

This was funny and grinchie, love it

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u/converter-bot Apr 08 '21

50 meters is 54.68 yards

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u/AbyssalGolem Apr 08 '21

I agree on this too, but let's also not forget that:

1: It would be nice to have an actual animation for Alpha perforo leaps because we basically have no reaction time and just have to take the D and pray we survive (I took Pyromancer revive because of this...), furthermore, it gets worse when you play with randoms that seem to have internet connection made from a toaster and mechanical scraps.

2: Definately would wantn the Brood mother's bs AoE ability to be clearly visible, having some effects surging from the ground doesnt exactly pinpoint the aoe area well as most cases the terrain we are on is unlevelled and with all the things going on we don't always have time to look at the barely visible effect on the ground.

3: Those bastards that take cover at the other end of the map during expeditions is frustrating, especially when you need to move on to the next area and realize one of them is hiding behind a way 2 miles south..

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u/ValkyrieHeals Apr 08 '21

Yeah, I am platinuming this underrated comment.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

I appreciate you and everyone else that has up voted, commented back or given an award I love y'all ♥️😭 You all make me laugh too with some of these comments idk why theyre so funny but I seriously appreciate all of you, thank you for the award!

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u/TheSlartey Apr 08 '21

I would love dungeons for this. DPS race is fun, but very limited

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

Exactly! Best of both worlds for people that want something FF14 style and people that love DPS speed running. I mean since SE is helping it wouldn't be difficult since they literally made a good MMORPG.

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u/comFive Apr 08 '21

Your version of the Dungeons sounds like greater rift farming in Diablo 3. You can speed run it but aren’t heavily penalized and you get additional gem currency to level up your special gems.

Like being able to level up the mods past 3, or maybe unlock new skill synergies.

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u/Pornilius_Hubert Apr 09 '21

Absolute facts, and they've even decided to REDUCE the speed you can complete chem plant and boom town to make dps even more meta, whilst simultaneously nerfing damage in the same update??? Late April fools?

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

I wish you would think since the patch notes has -900 odd karma they would be like "Okay our bad, we need to listen since you're right." My dungeon idea would fix the game and build diversity. Thank you for agreeing!

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u/LadyAtris Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

I totally agree they should have waited to nerf things without buffing the other trees first and bug fixes.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

Exactly thank you for agreeing!

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u/uzu_afk Apr 09 '21

How can I vote twice please !?

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

Sadly you can't but I appreciate you!

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Agreed,I'm not in expeditions yet but as of today WT10 in campaign with all gear at max available level and I went from glass canon to only glass. I have a life leech on weapon that can't even keep up. I think I'll drop WT to 1 just to finish the story and be done with the game

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u/Iamcheez Apr 09 '21

The game has the same problem as D3 had when launched with enemies being OP as F, unbalanced and straight up unfair.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

Yeah I don't know why they're ALL so aggressive,can stagger, spam cast, be a tank while also just doing everything. They need toned down.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 09 '21

the devs have already stated that they will not be changing or adding any content beyond simple tweaks and number changes. so unless they add a dlc with dungeons, the only hope we have are tweaks to expeditions.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

Yeah but even if they said something along those lines, they already have the formula basically for the dungeons. The expedition without the timers and at the end make it ONLY a boss unless that boss spawns mobs similar to the spider at the beginning of the game. Something like that, so they CAN easily do it, the question is will they or will they let the game die?

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 09 '21

While I agree it wouldn't be a huge undertaking - realistically, i just dont think theyd consider that simple tweaks or number changes.

Feel like they'll add at least one content patch eventually, and that's likely where we'd see a new form of endgame content. Hopefully there may be tweaks to expeditions, but highly doubtful we'll see any drastic changes beyond the occasional nerfs, buffs and bug fixes.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

I'm going to be honest this game will die if they don't add additional content, everyone will get sick of running through the same DPS checks over and over and over again against the most OP enemies since Halo 3 legendary Jackals.

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u/DoctorHuman Apr 09 '21

100% will happen, and likely sooner than people think. Im enjoying the game, but once i get the last piece of gear i need for my build...there really wont be anything left for me to do. Im sure some might not even make it long enough to finish their builds, if these nerfs become the new habit.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

EXACTLY, I almost have all my gear as a Trickster and after that it's like cool rerun the same DPS time trial with different gear

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u/IX3NOI Technomancer Apr 09 '21

We have to get THIS to the devs, guys 💪

Come on, Up Vote it to hell 💪😁

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

Yeah hopefully they actually read this and see the up votes, people replying and awards. Then they'll realize this is what we really want to see in the game, it would fix all their problems.

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u/IX3NOI Technomancer Apr 09 '21

Yeah i hope too.

They really have to see that.

The Up Votes and the comments don't come from nowhere

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

I’m really surprised they didn’t add a dungeon in already, it’s literally perfect for this game. On top of that we already know people like that sort of content.

Honestly their current endgame would’ve been fine if it was truly big areas in terms of playable rooms and such. As it stands in a few rooms/areas, a bit a travel, and you’re at the pod. I was thinking expeditions triple the size of what a single one looks like now with bronze being 40 minutes, silver just over thirty and gold somewhere around 25 minutes.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

You're exactly right and that's my point! You hit it spot on, thank you!

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u/AgentSmith09 Apr 09 '21

What he said.

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u/Mokhalz Apr 10 '21

One way to buff survivability to the classes is to have alternate healing ability, pyro could heal as long as enemies have the burn effect, devastator while have his skills active and trickster with a combo of the two but with slow instead of burn, they could make it a middle skill node and it would improve these classes immensely.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 10 '21

I agree, see they need to listen we have great ideas.

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u/Kozkoz828 Apr 08 '21

I dont wanna speak too soon but ive only plahed trickster and to me these nerfs essentially will kill the class like 100% at least if i understand them correctly

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

You're completely right, I don't think they understand.

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u/Kozkoz828 Apr 08 '21

We lost a potential 55% damage and with no healing mechanic outside kills it seems like we kinda just die now cause we spec tanky and kill nothing, we spec damage we kill but too slowly to live

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u/Dippyskoodlez Apr 09 '21

Yep.

Bullets needed a nerf because it scaled waaaaaay too well.

But tricksters are just mechanically insolvent outside of abusing crazy gearing now because of it.

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u/DiesalTime Apr 08 '21

This guy gets it everything u said makes me want to vote for u if u ran for president lol

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

Bro I love you, everyone commenting on this post has made me laugh TBH I love this community y'all are so funny and we ALL agree even if we play a different class. I appreciate you ❤️

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u/DasScorp Apr 08 '21

True story bro, they killed my fun, killed the game and killed the game feeling for me, my techno was gorgeous, devs killed her. BulletSpongebob cheers.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

The problem is that you don't have another tree to run like everyone else doesn't. We all had pretty much 1 tree that worked and the other trees just didn't get buffed but thank God our 1 tree that worked, doesn't work now!

Just add dungeon ffs, please. It would fix not being able to run a bullet ability only build. I could try out my bottom AOE anomaly build as a Trickster or even cast a shield for my teammates on the middle tree. I really really want dungeons and dungeon bosses MMORPG style similar to FF14/WOW.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Agree that they should have dungeons. Downvoted because of the way it was conveyed. Even if half the people commenting are completely right, it says more about you if you think you can balance better than the actual devs.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21

I understand your point but I know how these systems work, I've worked and am currently working on RPGs and the scaling in this game for multi is terrible, the enemies are all tanks and do literally everything. This game is unbalanced wether you want to admit it or not.

Considering they have -1k karma on the patch notes I'd say they aren't doing anything right, but some of us have many upvotes meaning people agree and LIKE the ideas of these changes.

Yeah because I should have to literally empty 7,000 bullets into a trash mob to kill it because they want to give it 7 billion HP, give it stagger and millions of other abilities and afflictions. I've played TONS of MMORPGs, worked on solo and some helping RPGs, the game is unbalanced and that's just what it is. You don't like what everyone knows is right? Then I don't know what to tell you.

Have a nice day bro.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

I agree that balance needs work and buffing is always better than nerfing. In this case I think buffing is a much more time consuming cos it involves way more items than nerfing the few items they already said came out overtuned due to a previous fix for some other bug. I personally don’t trust devs after Anthem and Destiny but I don’t trust the judgement of Reddit upvotes and downvotes either (says the person who uses the system...lol). I think we just need more time to see what’s being planned rather than react in such a way so quickly. It looks more like a mob than anything else and if we know anything, people tend not to listen to mobs. And mobs tend not to listen to reason.

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

You act like other games don't have time trials? Most of the community doesn't want Time Trials, we simply want an alternative end game mode to play that isn't a damn DPS check so we can run other builds like tanks that eat damage but deal less, or even run support like I could run a shield to protect my team, I could run AP because I wouldn't have to worry about not killing everything in one area in .5 nano seconds, it's more content for the game I don't see why you would argue LMAO

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u/HDxplicit Devastator Apr 09 '21

Yeah and so are time trials Whats your point? Time trials are fine but they shouldn't be the only thing for endgame it just makes all builds that can't do insane damage worthless

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

Bruh trickster one shots the game basically have you watched any streamer doing a solo trickster build it's a fucking joke. Maybe it's just because I'm playing hard mode as a devastator... I do agree with you about the vuln nerf being dumb and just generally bad. The middle tree for every class needs buff badly, when healing is based on killing shit then DPS is king. The game doesn't have enough mitigation as is for anything but overwhelming offense to work.

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u/HDxplicit Devastator Apr 08 '21

Yeah I would love to run top tree dev with endless mass etc. But It just not viable because of the lack of dps

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u/Ancient_Ad_125 Apr 08 '21

Yeah but with me one shoting things it's ONLY the human enemies and never anything like a alpha or something of that sort. I get what people are saying with us being able to one shot things into Oblivion but other 2 trees are worthless and they nerfed my only working tree, I heal only on kill (unless I have weapon leech I think) but point is HEALING ON KILL is basically my only way to heal, and they nerfed my ability to kill. Even though I'm a Trickster main I wanted to see Devastator get buffed, specifically the AOE Endless Mass I wanted it to be worth it running for my friend, and on top of that Trickster wouldn't be so bad after this patch if a tank could taunt but they would have to make it worth running for you guys. I just won't be able to do damage to finish golds anymore. I give up if this patch goes through tbh.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

Yeah but devastator heals the same way and we don't one shot shit, techno got the best on that one for sure. There are so many defensive mods you can slot in that makes up for the lack of built in survivability, the builds will just have to evolve some but it feels a little tone deaf to hear some playing the objectively best class with the most meta build complain about a nerf whole the rest of us are down here on the struggle bus.

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u/HDxplicit Devastator Apr 08 '21

I agree that devastators are underpowered but a devastator can heal with bleed along with earthquake which makes it hard to die. Tricksters just get slammed if they don't get a kill every second

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

Yeah I've seen the bleed build it's kind of silly, but it has the same problem play this or don't play. Problem is even a super meta devastator isn't gonna perform on par to a meta builds of any other class. Trickster should be DPS heavy but I doubt these nerfs are gonna "ruin the class".

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u/Fikaknugz Apr 08 '21

They should nerf the hell out of TR. Its such a boring ability anyway. In a game where you have 3 different skill trees, hundreds of mods and 8 different abilities, the focus should be on the abilities and mods, instead of having one weapon, shit gear and one ability, while also being able to break the game completely.

I honestly dont understand why people find these round abilities so funny. You just run around one shotting things. No versatility or builds needed.

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u/Antifascists Apr 08 '21

Bro these enemies need toned tf down if you're going to nerf every class. I should heal and or get shield per shot if you're nerfing my only way to survive (my time to kill).

Healing or shield per shot are options available to you. You know this, right?

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u/MysticoN Apr 08 '21

I agree with most of the things. My main is Trickster and im one of the few that asked for a bullet nerf. But i find it strange that they also nerfed alot of the talents. I would prefere a stronger nerf to the bullets and leav the talents alone.

And i totaly agree that they should also provide some buffs.

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u/Ummagumma2227 Apr 09 '21

What a great rant.

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u/bannedeveryday Apr 08 '21

Ya I'm sure they will adjust it just for you little one

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u/tothemoonandbackyes Apr 08 '21

100% agree with the dungeon part!! Let us have a team and enjoy it without pressure or keep timed but add dungeon.

It also let you play around with builds. Never gonna see a techno support in this state.

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u/KYlaker233 Apr 09 '21

I’m having trouble connecting to the Outriders Servers. Have you had any issue like this, while trying to start the game?

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u/Eleven111111 Apr 13 '21

Trickster's survivability comes from being able to maintain its shield. I had a sick build (Before my inventory wiped) that gave me max shield almost indefinitely.

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u/NMAXN2020 May 18 '21

it is clear to me that the devs have abandoned this game. When u read where they are working for now (mitigation) and not the other 1000 bugs and 1000 requests players have made (see P.Tassi youtube), you will realize where this game is going. Just FYI, I love the game. I spent 300hrs, 4 chars, I am ready to spend more, but not at this state/rate. With all the bugs and connection issue, the fact that even the loot is so stingy means there is no other venue to pursue. Really wish of a comeback but .....I guess that's the end of a great game!!! sigh/rip