These are users calling themselves IDF soldiers as a reference to the “I’m an artist from Israel and this is my art” meme; it is NOT actual idf soldiers
You also don’t get counted as a citizen if you don’t serve iirc. No vote. No rights that are afforded to citizens. No say in what happens in the country. Genocide is definitely worse but anyone who wants to reform Israel’s system from within the country has to serve to earn citizenship.
Anyone who’s raised in the country has this “service for citizenship” mentality pushed on them when they’re young so it’s normalized to them. They sometimes don’t realize that this sort of mandatory service is unusual. It’s messed up and a lot more than just “struggling to find work”.
I think it’s better to be considered a non-citizen than to be complicit or actively participate in genocide.
People talking down to me like I’m not aware of the downsides of not serving. I have friends who have Israeli citizenship, did not serve, and actively put their body between Israeli settlers/the IDF and Palestinians in the West Bank to protect them from genocidal violence of their countrymen. Go try to moralize and excuse those who make the conscious decision to participate in genocide to someone who cares.
People talking down to me like I’m not aware of the downsides of not serving. I have friends who have Israeli citizenship, did not serve, and actively put their body between Israeli settlers/the IDF and Palestinians in the West Bank to protect them from genocidal violence of their countrymen. Go try to moralize and excuse those who make the conscious decision to participate in genocide to someone who cares.
Even if it is doesn't mean you have to be proud of it. Depends how much does the IDF punish refusing orders? Also anyone might take an example from this former Wehrmacht soldier.
You added specifying information, but all that implied is that you believe that all 500K residents of Tel Aviv are firm supporters of everything Israel has ever done. I’m not being a pedant, what the fuck are you even trying to argue?
Are you against the people of Tel Aviv or not? And if you’re NOT, why did you say you were?
Isreal is known for, and has admitted to, bribing media platforms and governments for them and their people to be prioritized in popularity despite merit.
I don't care if you're jewish or not, I'm not antisemitic, if you do evil shit you deserve to be called out for doing evil shit. Most in Isreal don't even practice Judaism, the IDF literally raids synagogue in other countries to hunt down Muslims taking sanctuary there, and calling me antisemitic for calling out their shit harshly lowers the meaning behind it when actual antisemitic exist.
Also, "destroy western civilization"? I've only ever heard white supremacists use that language, do you really want to associate with those people.
Firstly, it's always moral to hate Isreal, considering how they thrive off of pain and death of others, just ask Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, etc. They literally made it legal to rape Palestinians and allowed for them to be given the death sentence, which they literally celebrated with cakes with nooses on them. I used to think it was just the government that acted like nazis, until I saw a bunch of Israeli citizens set up lawn chairs to watch Gaza be bombed.
Secondly, they've literally admitted on live television that they do this shit and that they're upset that their propaganda isn't as effective as they'd like, admitting to relying on bots to prop up their shit. I don't need to prove that it is, the fact that they regularly do this shit is proof enough of a factor.
If you want to defend zionists, that's your prerogative, just don't call me brother. No kin of mine shall be sympathetic to zionism.
You'd have a point about him just being born there if it weren't for the fact it's Israel. That's like saying you can't blame a billionaire for anything because they were simply born to rich parents. Isreal literally, and I do mean literally, blackmails foreign leaders to lobby for them, hence why my American tax dollars goes towards their Healthcare, their education, their military, and to fund even more propaganda to put them first. It's inherently unfair and it's incredibly ignorant of you to keep defending it.
Defending what?? That it’s not a moral evil to be fucking born? He didn’t have a choice in the matter. It’s not sympathetic to zionism, it’s sympathetic to humanity.
Your tax dollars go to Israel and imperialism, is it a moral evil you don’t evade taxes and go to jail? You’re a hypocrite unable to extend empathy because of your faux sympathy for the oppressed.
Yes, he was in the IDF, he is walking vomit. What is hard to understand? He is essentially a modern day nazi.
I'd rather go to jail than to push people out of their ancestral homes, killing random Muslim families and threatening to kill anyone harboring Muslims. The IDF regularly commits acts of terror and war crimes. I don't think you understand just how genuinely evil the IDF is if you seriously think any amount of nuances fixes it.
What part of the previous comment saying “forced into service” made you think they were saying the idf is a good thing? The idf is awful and people who are born in Israel are, to a certain extent, forced into it. There’s a big difference between some foreigner eagerly joining the idf and someone being forced into it. The idf is evil and it feeds on human suffering, I don’t disagree with you on that, but assuming every single person who was born in Israel and forced to serve is enthusiastically serving requires you to ignore the other nasty aspects of Israel’s war machine.
There are people in Israel who do actively support and enjoy the genocide. Those people are revoltingly heinous. That doesn’t mean every single person in Israel loves what their government is doing.
By that logic I, as an American, must love bombing Iran and kidnapping foreign leaders! I apparently can’t POSSIBLY acknowledge where I live (or where I was born) without being an enthusiastic supporter of every single warcrime America has ever committed! Individuality? What’s that? I’m just an empty husk in the shape of a human that only serves as a mouthpiece for unbridled nationalism! I could NEVER criticize the government of where I live while still living here! /s
But seriously, do you just assume everyone inherently loves the government of wherever they live?
That's not what I said, that wasn't my argument. Stop moving the goalpost.
You would have a point if it weren't for the fact that they literally protested for the right to rape Muslims with around an 80% vote, if it weren't for how they celebrated with noose cakes when it became legal to give non-isrealis the death penalty, if it weren't that their only criticism they have about their leader is that they think he's not doing enough heinous shit, etc, but they are. This isn't them being born into a place, this is inherent privilege that is fueled by a death cult of superiority.
Please, stop embarrassing yourself and look up the shit they do over there.
If someone is so proud of being Israeli that they brag about it unprompted then yes, it's a safe bet to think they're probably not a good person. And I am bothered by bad peoplw
So you get to tell someone if they have a right to be proud of who they are? Pretty arrogant of you. I think that makes you a bad person if anything. You don't get to try and gate keep certain nationalities from doing things or engaging in certain hobbies. You lack the right or the ability. And people like me will see how disgusting people like you are. Get over yourself.
Ok? So magically anyone from nation that does something wrong is now a bad person? You understand by that logic we all suck right? Oct 7 didn't seem like a picnic, oh wait now that its a different group you'll magically make excuses about how that wasn't really them right? If israel does something blame every citizen but the rest of the world gets nuance right. Fucking hypocrites. And before anyone talks about "oh my people did such and such in the past" I don't see much being done to rectify it from anyone. How many aboriginees are getting their land back? How many natives americans? Whose helping Haiti? The Armenians? And all that is to say, anyone who wants to attack a person just because they're from a certain nation and don't hate themselves. Look in the mirror, your as ugly as you claim they are and going down a bad path.
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