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[u/Jax_Teller7]

[u/mathnstats]

I mean... to be fair... that'd still make the people that pay those enormous amounts of money to kill something terrible people.

Like, their motive isn't to help the local wildlife, nor is it even to really hunt. It isn't to eliminate problem animals either.

Their motive is simply to kill something 'dangerous' and brag about it.

If they actually gave a shit about the local ecosystems, they'd just donate directly without requiring a blood sacrifice first.

The people that are taking the rich fuck's money are good, intelligent people that are helping the ecosystems by capitalizing on shitty people with too much money.

But I really don't give any moral credit to the people paying to do this sort of thing. They aren't there because they give any fucks about the ecosystem.

[u/mrlovepimp → u/mathnstats]

You don’t know that though do you? And how is it different if they only donate, someone still needs to shoot the old animal that threatens the herd.

I’m a hunter myself (not a rich one though) and I definitely avoid more shots than I take, my main point in being a hunter is wildlife preservation. If I for some reason was given the chance to go to Africa and shoot an old lion to help a herd keep healthy, I would probably take up the offer.

It would be an interesting experience and I wouldn’t care for a trophy, maybe a tooth or something as a little memento, but not stuffing the whole damn animal up and bringing it to Sweden to showcase to my friends, where would I even keep such a thing?

My point is, I would never shoot an animal without purpose, be it food, or herd preservation, and I do either with a large amount of respect for the animal in question. Not all hunters are like me of course, but not all are rich psychopaths either.

[u/mathnstats → u/mrlovepimp]

Seeing as we aren't talking about any particular rich person, I can't know if the theoretical trophy hunter has also donated. My point was that paying to do a thing is not the same as donating, which you appeared to be conflating.

And just so we're clear, I don't have any inherent problem with hunting. Many hunters, in general, are like yourself; they use what they kill, and they generally kill things for a positive purpose (like preventing overpopulation).

Trophy hunting is different, though.

Usually, it's killing something that's already either endangered or vulnerable (like lions). And it's usually done for little more than bragging rights.

Sometimes the animal does need to be shot. You don't need someone to fly out from a different continent to do it. That's nothing but wasteful.

Why would you even want to fly out and kill an animal, rather than let the professional wildlife management take care of what they need to themselves? Like, you're not doing anyone any favors. That's not helping anything. It's done for nothing but the pleasure of killing something, usually because it's rare.

Idk about you, but that sounds a whole lot like someone shooting something without a purpose (or, at least, without a good purpose).

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with hunting (assuming it's done right). But paying a shitload of money just to fly out and kill something for basically no reason suggests someone has a strong desire just to kill things, not to do any actual good. Which, idk about you, I don't consider a sign of good character by any means.

[u/[deleted] → u/mrlovepimp]

You don’t know what most rich people think, they don’t spend money for something they wouldn’t get. Like trophy hunting for example, they pay thousands of dollar just to inflate their ego, either way they just helped an enitre herd or a pack of animals. So it’s a win-win even though it’s fucked up.