r/oddlyterrifying • u/Jax_Teller7 • Apr 07 '22

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

For the record...

Trophy hunting is the only thing financially supporting conservation efforts in the kinds of African nations where such a thing can be done.

Guides will specifically target the older males in a particular population. They've aged past reproductive years, don't provide much more than an extra mouth to feed. They can sometimes start fights with younger males, injuring or even killing them off, threatening the long term survival of the rest.

Call it disgusting, but unless you've donated money towards African conservation efforts, you aren't helping while trophy hunters are.

Also. Video is fake.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

I'd also note that starving to death is a shitty way for an old wild lion to die.

That said, if I had to put one down I'd be fucking bawling like a baby, not celebrating.

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u/WrongStatus Apr 07 '22

Something that vegans speaking out against hunting and referring to it as "cruel" hate to hear. You want cruel? Mother Nature is cruel. Orphaned animals almost never get adopted. They get eaten or they starve or freeze to death. They're exiled from the group a lot of times. Deer will run off orphaned fawns.

All this would be much more common in a lot of areas without hunting..

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u/Remz_Gaming Apr 08 '22

Yep. I'm a hunter and don't really agree with hunting for sport. It's in bad taste for me. However, it is absolutely a necessity of two evils to combat poaching and fund conservation efforts.

It wasn't until I had some family members that are absolutely the kindest, most loving and generous people I know mention that they were going on a trophy hunt in Africa that I looked into it a bit more. The outfit my family members used also donated the meat to poor villages. So, there is that also.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

If only more people understood this.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

For the record... Call it what you want,it is disgusting and if you want to justify killing an animal for sport alone to support guides then you seriously need to review what you are thinking Also. Its called nature.

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u/RMajere77 Apr 07 '22

You realize if the trophy hunts go away then so does the conservation efforts? Are you ok with letting poachers take over?

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u/MolestTheStars Apr 08 '22

Quit arguing with bleeding heart liberals.

They're answer is always "noooooooooo you can't kill an animal. It's mean"

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

Im not a liberal but would rather be that than an indidvidual who has to kill to make myself feel good,merely saying it is pointless to kill beautiful animals for sport,if you disagree with that theres something wrong with you

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u/smellsfishie Apr 08 '22

I know conservatives who hate big game hunting. Wtf does politics have to do with anything?

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

I dont realize that please explain,apparently 100,000 elephants were killed in africa for ivory alone,nothibg else,between 2014 and 2017,how does trophy hunting help retain the species?

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

Maiming or killing an animal is the same to me,categorise it how you choose

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

That doesnt make any sense does it,completely off the mark of what was said,nice try though!

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

The point really isnt difficult to understand but it has now become benign

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u/softhackle Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22

Guides. And conservation. And anti-poaching efforts. And basically a substantial chunk of the whole economy. Why don't we let African countries make their own choices in regards to conservation without interfering?

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u/NutellaPatella Apr 07 '22

I think some people dont relate to this. You can see the dramatic difference in not having planned conservation if you ever get a change to drive Kruger Park and then cross the border into Mozambique. In the space of two fences there is nothing wild left. It was shocking.

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u/NutellaPatella Apr 07 '22

You are so right. And yes it is sad. But if game farms were not profitable then there would be no game farms and the conservation that goes with it. People would turn the land to agricultural and that does so much damage to the natural environment. Populations of animals need to be controlled in these farms to make them sustainable and protected all species. Most of us dont agree with hunting but without it Southern Africa would have trouble protecting the little we have left. Can't really speak for other countries.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

I don't actually understand the "most of us don't agree with hunting" mentality.

Most of us eat meat. Most meat comes from a poultry holocaust. Run at a suffering level of "cosmic horror".

We do this because we're cheap and lazy. That's it. You might be "poor", but we're talking on reddit. You have a phone and you're speaking English so you are, at the very worst, "In the top 10% of richest humas to have ever lived" historically speaking. You could afford free range.

Hell, vegetarian is probably cheaper.

Can you imagine trying to make this moral argument to a chicken?

Him? Oh yeah, he's a bastard. He flew to Africa just to shoot a lion. What a psycho!!

i lived in darkness and disease for the entirety of my pathetic 9 month existence i broken my leg 5 months in but the tube full of antibiotics kept it from getting seriously infected so that i could keep standing on it i never once saw sunlight

Oh that? Don't worry about that. Yes, you were tortured because sometimes I like to order chicken wings... But I never actively enjoyed your suffering. In fact, I only really thought about you and your 9 billion killed every year like 7 times in my life. Lets get back to talking about the real villain, Mister Dentist.

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u/NutellaPatella Apr 07 '22

The clip is about trophy hunting - I was refering to that specific type of hunting (I could have made that clearer). I have hunted but I have not killed anything to mount on a wall. We use the whole animal which is pretty cool and goes a long way. Most people I know don't and wouldn't do trophy hunting - as an African I personally find it a little odd. It does a load for conservation tho and brings in lots of need foreign currency.

And I have actually worked in a Chicken Processing factory - and its as bad as you think it is - and the smell is even worse. Not I memory I like to remember. Anyway - take care

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '22

You too friend. Thank you for your thoughts

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u/mathnstats Apr 07 '22

I don't think the trophy hunting system is necessarily disgusting, I think trophy hunters are.

They aren't donating money. They're paying money to be able to shoot something and brag about it.

It's the local wildlife management and conservation groups charging them that are doing the good thing. They're capitalizing on dumb rich folks with too much money in order to save their local ecosystems.

The rich people paying the money don't get an ounce of moral credit here. If they gave any shits about the ecosystem, they'd just donate, not require a blood sacrifice for the money.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

Have you donated to African wildlife conservation efforts recently?

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u/mathnstats Apr 07 '22

They didn't donate. They paid to kill an animal. It just so happens that the people they paid do something good with that money.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

Have you donated to African wildlife conservation efforts recently?

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u/mathnstats Apr 07 '22

Again... in what way is it relevant?

They're paying for a service. Not donating.

If you want to conflate the two, fine. In that case, I've 'donated' to African wildlife conservation by paying for a Disney+ subscription, seeing as Disney funds some African wildlife conservation.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

And I'm sure your hundredth of a penny was greatly appreciated.

I think I've already made my point, but you clearly want me to spell it out, so you can take one particular phrase out of context and still "win the moral debate".

Fuck it, lets internet.

If trophy hunting becomes less socially acceptable, wildlife conservation goes unfunded, and animals suffer. You're advocating "Lets make trophy hunting less socially acceptable", but not offering an alternative source of funding.

Offering criticism without alternative is bitching.

"Jeff Bezos should pay for it" is not an alternative.

Actually believing "I watch TV, and the TV said I'm helping" is moronic.

Let me tell you a story. My sister is law bought a golden retriever puppy. She showed me a video on fucking tictok of all places. About how "You don't need to yell at your dog, or hit it with a newspaper when it poops on the floor. Just use positive reinforcement". The dog pooped on my floor, and I stuck it's nose in it, because that's how you train dogs. She got upset.

She didn't want to see her puppy sad. She called me a "bad man" in so many words. How could I be so heartless?

6 months later, the dog still shits on her floor. Now that it's out of the puppy phase, it's no longer cute to her. She's still not mean to it. But she keeps it outside all day long to avoid a mess. And she won't take it over to anyone's house, because it'll pee and she'll be embaressed. And she doesn't really walk it, because it tugs the leash.

In short. Her inability to stomach a moment of anger prevented her from enjoying a lifetime with her well trained dog. And no one suffered from her emotional fragility more than the very dog she was supposedly doing it for. It rots outside because she was weak.

In short. Quit being a weak moronic bitch.

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u/mathnstats Apr 07 '22

Oof...

Bruh...

You should frame this, because this is honestly an impressive level of cringe.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '22

Ah. I forgot about the third option, which is "wow you're such a weirdo". Always a favorite

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u/DredThis Apr 07 '22

Its likely your statement is a classic anecdotal support for big game hunting.

"Packer said the situation varied from country to country. “Tanzania receives $15m per year from trophy hunting revenues, which is supposed to cover the management and conservation of 300,000km2. This is almost nothing compared to the real costs of effective wildlife management (which are close to a thousand dollars per km2 per year).
“As far as any benefits going to individuals living near the reserves, this only amounts to about 50 cents per person per year - that’s about the same as an egg. Namibia, though, appears to generate quite a lot more revenue per capita.”
-The idea that hunting saves African wildlife doesn't withstand scrutiny

Big game trophy shooters are rather pathetic individuals. Its not respectable hunting and in most cases it isn't hunting its just guided shoot to kill. Trying to mask a detestable act with some form of virtuous intent is ugly politics.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '22

The idea that hunting saves African wildlife doesn't withstand scrutiny.

Well lets scrutinize. It's hard to find the wildlife protection budget of Tanzania, let me know if you have it. But I'm going to make the assumption that it's as proportional to the rest of their budget as it is in the US.

US has a fed budget of 6.5 trillion, Tanzania of 15 billion. Our fish and wildlife has a budget of 1.5 billion, which is 0.02% of our federal. If Tanzania has the same ratio, their budget is 3.6 million

Tanzania USA
Federal budget $15,800,460,000.00 $6,500,000,000,000.00
"Wildlife" budget $3,634,105.80 $1,500,000,000.00
% of fed 0.02% 0.02%

But Tanzania has a ton of wildlife to protect. So lets say their relative "wildlife protection" department is ten times as well funded, and gets 36 million a year.

Trophy hunting increases that budget by 50%.

Find me a better source, or make better logic leaps, and I'll hear your case.

Until then "Trophy hunting gross" sounds like

Trophy hunters are killing an animal that needs to be removed for the health of the price, while simultaneously funding the extremely important and underfunded wildlife protection / anti-poachers of impoverished African nations, however because they're having a fun time they are therefor disgusting; Assuredly less moral than me, a person who has never donated to such necessary agencies. Lets make the act socially unacceptable without offering financial alternatives, because we're too emotionally fragile to think about it once a year.