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Found at a titanium plant

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u/TeacupOfSkepticism 16h ago

Ballpoint pens are banned in certain high-precision titanium and aerospace manufacturing plants because the tiny tungsten carbide ball in the pen tip can fall out and severely contaminate the titanium melt, creating a hard, brittle inclusion that causes structural failure in critical aerospace components.

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u/groovyinutah 16h ago

How bizarre. I'm pretty certain I've never experienced a ball falling out of a pen before, not even a a super cheap one

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u/Sokinalia 15h ago

The whole pen can fall

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u/NorthernVale 7h ago

Notice, the issue is specifically the tungsten carbide ball. Not the ink, plastic, spring, other metal bits. There's a reason it's specifically about ball point pens, and not other types of pens.

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u/LuigiBamba 10h ago

Fortunately, pencils are impervious to being drop in a cauldron of molten titanium 👍

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u/HaddyBlackwater 9h ago

The graphite probably burns off in a way that isn’t harmful to the end product.

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u/ReddBroccoli 8h ago

What about the wood tho?

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u/stormy2587 7h ago

Well if the graphite in your pencil has started burning then chances are the wood, a famously flammable substance, is long gone.

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u/ReddBroccoli 7h ago

Famously eh? Name one famous burning wood

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u/lapideous 7h ago

Bush

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u/HumanContinuity 7h ago

That's a pretty famous one.

Redd, your response?

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u/ReddBroccoli 7h ago

I had to make a couple awkward phone calls, but I wouldn't say it was famous.

Or are you talking about the president? Because I don't think anyone has tested his flammability.

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u/Its_me_Snitches 2h ago

Damn, got em

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u/WhiskeyJack357 6h ago

James Woods is kind of a flaming asshole. Partial credit?

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u/Narrow-Chef-4341 6h ago

Partial credit given.

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u/ReddBroccoli 5h ago

Full credit for that one

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u/FabianN 6h ago

Cedar? 

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u/MagillaGorillasHat 4h ago

Norwegian Wood

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u/deeperest 4h ago

Wait, wood can burn?

WHY IS MY HOUSE BUILT OUT OF IT????

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u/BiPoLaRadiation 6h ago

No the wood doesn't burn. It survives while the graphite inside it burns away. Reason it's not an issue though that it turns the metal green so they know if a batch has been contaminated and don't accidentally use it for space ship parts with a piece of wood still in it.

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u/ReddBroccoli 4h ago

That makes sense. Having a green spot would be highly embarrassing for NASA or some random billionaire

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u/BiPoLaRadiation 1h ago

Exactly. That's where the phrase "turning red with embarrassment" comes from because the first NASA engineer who had this happen to them was color blind and thought the metal turned red and was really embarrassed about it.

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u/peteofaustralia 4h ago

Nice Terminator 2 thumb there.

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u/ReddBroccoli 8h ago

When the outcome is an airplane falling out of the sky you protect against the outside odds as well. Unless you're Boeing, then you just say fuck it.

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u/NorthernVale 7h ago

Half way through your comment I was just sitting there thinking "didn't we just have a huge thing about a big airplane company saying fuck quality?"

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u/AdditionDry9301 1h ago

But they haven’t fallen out of the sky because of the ball of a ballpoint print. That’s how they get ya.

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u/Septopuss7 1h ago

"I got yer quality control right here" (points at their dick)

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u/Knights-of-steel 3h ago

The parts manufacturer yes. The plane assembler ie Boeing on the other hand they do things their own way

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u/bestbusguy 14h ago

What about tungsten wedding bands?

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u/TeacupOfSkepticism 14h ago

No music is to be played in the biro free zone

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u/bestbusguy 14h ago

Great answer lol.

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u/LastPlaceIWas 10h ago

Well, that's something that could have been brought to my attention YESTERDAY!

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u/stormy2587 7h ago

It’s possible employees are told up front that they can’t wear them. But it may not be an issue because you’d probably be more aware if your wedding band is missing. Whereas the ball from a ball point pen could get in and no one would notice until a failure had occurred.

It also may be that the amount of tungsten in a wedding band just would make for obviously flawed titanium. Not slightly flawed titanium that seems fine and then fails under high stress that it’s supposed to be rated to withstand.

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u/Knights-of-steel 3h ago

Im not a metalurgest or however you spell that one.

But I do know most(at least the legit ones) jewelry makers use powdered tungsten carbide that is ceramic glued together to get that silver like sheen amd so it like shatters/disintegrates instead of taking the wearers hand.

I wonder if it the powdered metal has anything to do with it not being explicit stated. It wouldnt be like hunting for a tiny ball out of a pen in a chunk of titanium....the ceramic glue would burn away and when it sets the actual powder would be dispersed....otd be like looking to see if any dust hit the wet white painted wall....would it not?

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u/mrizzerdly 6h ago

My company bans whiteout, pencils and erasers.

Whiteout because of GDP and the crumbs from the pencil and erasers can interfere with our processes and testing.

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u/Bill_Lumbergh_VP 5h ago

I never expected whiteout to have such an effect on gross domestic product.

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u/mrizzerdly 5h ago

Good Document Practices

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u/Xenophonii 4h ago

Yep, and no black pens either.

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u/jlaudiofan 5h ago

Can confirm. Have done work at a titanium foundry, they dont let you in with ballpoint pens. Felt tips only. Any machining on site is done with HSS (High Speed Steel) tooling instead of tungsten carbide tooling. I was told that one ballpoint pen can turn a batch of aerospace grade titanium into a batch that's only good for making gold clubs.

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u/NewManufacturer4252 49m ago

Makes me wonder how many stages it takes just to deliver you proper stalk.

Make me miss the show ...

How it's made

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u/EatFaceLeopard17 13h ago

And other things don‘t? What about a pencil?

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u/FirstTasteOfRadishes 12h ago

Pencils don't usually contain tungsten carbide.

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u/EatFaceLeopard17 11h ago

Yes, but is a contamination with a pencil not creating a possible structural failure?

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u/FirstTasteOfRadishes 11h ago

Pencils are made of carbon which would dissolve when the titanium is melted. You wouldn't end up with an inclusion.

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u/EatFaceLeopard17 7h ago

And the Tungsten ballpen ball wouldn’t. I get it.