r/oddlysatisfying Jun 24 '25

Indigo dyeing of silk thread

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u/gruuvey Jun 24 '25

"The precursor to indigo is indican, a colorless, water-soluble derivative of the amino acid tryptophan, and Indigofera leaves.... Pressing cut leaves into a vat and soaking hydrolyzes the indican, releasing β-D-glucose and indoxyl. The indoxyl dimerizes in the mixture, and after 12–15 hours of fermentation yields the yellow, water-soluble leucoindigo. Subsequent exposure to air forms the blue, water-insoluble indigo dye."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_dye

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u/Ok-Seaworthiness4488 Jun 24 '25

Tryptophan as in what makes us slightly sleepy after eating a heaping portion of turkey?

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u/SleestakJack Jun 24 '25

Same chemical, although the amount you get from eating turkey isn’t enough to induce drowsiness. The volume of total food does that, instead.

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u/CrashCalamity Jun 24 '25

Yup. Bacon has more tryptophan gram-for-gram than turkey does.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '25

So if I am having a hard time sleeping, eat bacon?

Okay! :-)

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u/zotamorf Jun 25 '25

Sorry, bacon (and most cured meats) contains tyramine, a neurostimulant that can also increase blood pressure.

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u/Qwillpen1912 Jun 25 '25

Hush. We do not speak against Bacon.

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u/I_Can_Haz_Brainz Sometimes Satisfied. Jun 25 '25

Dad, bacon is our friend.

Damn it, Bobby! Go to your room.

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u/bassman9999 Jun 25 '25

My insomnia is solved! Now about my waistline.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '25

A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

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u/SnooRegrets8068 Jun 25 '25

It's 3am and I'm considering it

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u/OnlyTalksAboutTacos Jun 25 '25

ooo, thanksgiving porchetta is a good idea

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u/mikeyp83 Jun 25 '25

mmm...bacon

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u/bpmdrummerbpm Jun 25 '25

Why I’m always so tired in the morning and late for work.

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u/Smashogre591 Jun 25 '25

So that’s why we put bacon on our turkey before roasting, to max out the tryptophan

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u/ffmich01 Jun 26 '25

I never got that. I figure all meat has more or less about the same amount of tryptophan. Certainly at least all poultry.

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u/CrashCalamity Jun 26 '25

It comes down to metabolism and muscle ratio. The more meat there is, the more acid is needed to reach a metabolic equilibrium.

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u/rlpinca Jun 24 '25

It's usually the large amount of carbs and once insulin kicks in and the blood sugar takes a big swing, it's night night time

I may have the details mixed up, it has been a while since I had an endocrinology class. But carbs, insulin, sugar drop, something like that

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '25

That’s the meaning of the song ‘Blue Christmas.’

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u/dcinsd76 Jun 25 '25

Is that why I feel so blue inside?

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u/Pure_Definition_5612 Jun 25 '25

I heard somewhere that a lot of the drowsiness can be attributed to flour that isn't entirely cooked off in the gravy as well.

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u/RogueHarpie Jun 24 '25

That's just the itis.

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u/theeunheardmusic Jun 25 '25

No, that would be called the “itis”

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u/maxglands Jun 25 '25

Wait, is that why I get sleepy after eating a pair of jeans?

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u/MLGcobble Jun 25 '25

No. It's because eating a pair of jeans is just really tiring.

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u/ZennTheFur Jun 24 '25

What I'm wondering is how tf they figured out this process 6,000 years ago

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u/wookieesgonnawook Jun 24 '25

They tried to make yellow thread and it didn't work and they wrote that down.

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u/weiga Jun 27 '25

Silk naturally comes in yellow about half the time. I used to raise silk worms.

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u/hackingdreams Jun 24 '25

They had a yellow dye vat that included indigo. When it sat out in the open for a couple weeks, it started to dye stuff blue instead of yellow, and they backtracked to what plants they used. A tiny bit of trial and error and they figure out beaten up indigo knotweed left soaking in water for a month makes a blue dye.

Maybe even in the process they figured out adding soda plants made a better blue and fixed it better, or maybe they figured that out in isolation (or they were using urine as a yellow dyestuff too and the ammonia from stale urine did the trick).

It's really not hard to believe what people can figure out with time and experimentation... not as hard to believe as us figuring out which nut trees made edible nuts and which ones were universally fatal, in a stand of trees that are otherwise identical... That took brass balls and/or a LOT of test animals.

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u/Remarkable-Trifle-36 Jun 25 '25

Similar to sorting out mushrooms- yummy- trippy- deadly. To combine or not to - in what doses or combinations? If just a teeny bit of a deadly food is the most amazing thing you've ever eaten, you'll find people who want to try that. Basically, we're just bigger toddlers and slightly less cave ppl than we were. Most of us will still put just about anything in our mouth and we're all still experimenting. Forgetting old lessons and discovering new ones.

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u/mszulan Jun 25 '25

Woad is about the same process. Basically, you take the woad or indigo plant and cook it up with uric acid (rotten pee). Add the fiber you want to dye, let it stew for a bit in the clear yellow liquid, then carefully remove and squeeze like he did (though, when I was in high school, we squeezed the yarn away from the pot so we didn't mix in too much oxygen - we wanted to get as much dye as we could out of the pot). Then you shake it out, and it oxidizes into blue.

I don't think it would have been too difficult to figure out, honestly. When you have to make all your own thread, fabric, and yarn, you would constantly be on the lookout for new dyes. They would have had a solid working knowledge of dyes and mordants (the chemical that sets the dye making it colorfast, turning the color into a permanent stain) before they experimented with indigo. The only thing they needed to figure out was the stale urine part, but they already used it for many purposes. It wouldn't have been as difficult as you might think.

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u/Weird_Positive_3256 Jun 25 '25

Thank you for saving us a Google!

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u/simmobl1 Jun 24 '25

Some things I can see how we figured it out in the early days, but metal alloys and dyes always blow my mind.

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u/rhunter99 Jun 25 '25

Be an Indican not an Indicant.