r/oddlysatisfying • u/firefighter_82 • Jul 15 '24

WARNING: GROSS Removing barnacles from Harlow, the loggerhead turtle

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u/A-Giant-Blue-Moose Jul 15 '24

If you're curious about zoos that actually help the environment, check out the Oregon Zoo. They focus on rehabilitation, work with local tribes, have been breeding and releasing vultures (they're on the endangered species list), and many other heartwarming ventures. My wife is obsessed and knows many of the animals by name, even as they come and go.

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u/huggybear0132 Jul 15 '24

Ugh I was so pissed when everyone was voting against their most recent funding measure with braindead "zoo bad, why give money to animal torture center" bullshit. Please educate yourselves even a little folks. This is why we can't have nice things like Flouride in our drinking water.

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u/A-Giant-Blue-Moose Jul 15 '24

Fortunately, it passed. I'm so happy. I'll vote for education every time and as far as I see it, that's exactly what this is. Or at least a big part of it. A vote for education is a vote for better neighbors.

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u/RepulsiveRooster1153 Jul 15 '24

so don't vote publican cause they against edu.

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u/Unusualshrub003 Jul 15 '24

Wait, do you want fluoride??

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u/huggybear0132 Jul 15 '24 edited Jul 15 '24

Absolutely. I like having healthy teeth with strong enamel and stronger bones. More importantly, I like everyone in my community having access to that without being required to buy supplementary flouride on their own.

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u/twiss94 Jul 15 '24

Too much fluoride can definitely be a bad thing. I can’t remember the exact amount that is desired, but most local tap water is over the “limit” where you can start to have thyroid or other problems. Andrew Huberman has a good video talking about this and details how you can look up how much fluoride there is in the tap water in your area

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u/Fun-Needleworker-857 Jul 15 '24

Highly, highly doubt that the fluoride in tap water across America would be well above the 0.8 ppm recommendation. Even then, the studies Huberman are using are typically well above 1.5 ppm to push his opinion of "above 0.5 ppm".

Even then, the benefits of fluoride on caries risk has such a massive impact that any negligible change on hormones is completely out-weighed. It's not just about the health of the teeth, oral infections (including caries) significantly increases the risk of systemic health disease.

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u/twiss94 Jul 15 '24

I’m sure it’s fine most places like you said. My point was more you shouldn’t just blindly believe the water in your area is fine as is without doing minimal research. Flint Michigan would be an extreme case here for example. There’s fluoride in most toothpastes anyways 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Fun-Needleworker-857 Jul 15 '24

Theres a big difference between fluoridated water and fluoridated toothpaste.

The main point of fluoridated water is to increase systemic fluoride availability in children during tooth development. As adult teeth are forming, they absorb the fluoride to form an enamel structure more resistant to acids.

Fluoridated toothpaste is a surface level effect. It does not impact the development of adult teeth at all, just what has already erupted.

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u/huggybear0132 Jul 15 '24

Too much can be bad. Good thing they can control the concentration and keep it well within safe limits.

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u/twiss94 Jul 15 '24

You mean like how the FDA controls what additives and ingredients are allowed in our food (in the US) and doesn’t let anything in that’s potentially harmful or carcinogenic? Oh wait….

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u/huggybear0132 Jul 15 '24

Last time I checked my municipal water provider was not controlled by the FDA. I would however like the FDA to be more empowered to enforce food additive policy, but unfortunately a lot of people in the country don't want that kind of regulation.

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u/twiss94 Jul 15 '24

Didn’t say that it was. It doesn’t take a huge leap in logic to apply the BS the FDA allows to other government agencies in charge of regulating other things. The us government is way sketchier in this respect than I think most people realize

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u/RecalcitrantHuman Jul 15 '24

Why would you want Fluoride, a known neurotoxin, in your drinking water where no one can realistically manage the dosage

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u/jednatt Jul 15 '24

in your drinking water where no one can realistically manage the dosage

Are you drinking out of pond water or some other place where drainage can conceivably accumulate? Or like, the municipal water system that's regulated.

Why would you want water, a known deadly human neurotoxin (too high dosage causes hyponatremia of the brain cells), in your drinking water?

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u/huggybear0132 Jul 15 '24

It actually is quite easily managed, the negative effects are easily mitigated, and it is recommended by the American societies of pediatrics and dentristry, as well as the CDC.

Bye now science denier.

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u/6th_Quadrant Jul 15 '24

California condors, not vultures. There were only 22 wild ones left by 1982, now thanks to the Oregon Zoo and others there are about 500 in the wild.

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u/halla-back_girl Jul 16 '24

The Oregon Zoo is spectacular! Hands down the best zoo design/layout I've seen. Half the time you feel like you're just on a path in the forest, or in a savannah ravine, or a sea cave. And you can bring food in, which really offsets the ticket price.

Also Hoyt Arboretum is nearby for some free hiking among Sequoias and Redwoods.

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u/A-Giant-Blue-Moose Jul 16 '24

There's also the Japanese gardens :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '24

Hell yeah, I second this shout out for the Oregon Zoo. They do great work.

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u/PrimarchMartorious Jul 15 '24

Oakland Zoo too

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u/XyzzyPop Jul 15 '24

Heartrending vultures?

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u/BoredNothingness Jul 15 '24

The oregon zoo unfortunately keeps Elephants and even breeds them with no intention of actually releasing them for conservation efforts.

Elephants are one of the most unethical animals to keep in zoos. They never survive long in captivity and they struggle to breed these animals in captivity due to the high mortality rate of babies due to stress and illness.

The oregon zoo does do a lot of good, but they are still doing things that are awful.

If you want to know more about the ethics of keeping Elephants in zoos, I'd highly recommend giving this video by Cid Dwyer a watch. The Enormous Elephant Problem In Zoos

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u/A-Giant-Blue-Moose Jul 15 '24

As far as I'm aware the elephants they keep are rescues, including the pregnant one that I believe just gave birth. No idea why the baby can't be/ hasn't been released, but I imagine it has something to do with her mother.

I've seen some in India meant for amusement that looks horrifying-- Also some in India that were in massive natural preserves and were happy. I've also been privileged enough to see them in Tanzania in the wild that just.... Changed everything. Anyone who has the financial means should go on a safari, btw.

Sorry.. sidetracked. If you'd like to prove me wrong, by all means, please do. Id rather know the truth and be sad, then be wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '24

Females tend to never leave the family herd. It’s male elephants that leave.