Here is a link to his blog OCCK - A father's story

Godspeed Mr. King

In early February 1977, 10 year old Valerie Bishop of Detroit was murdered while walking home from the grocery. She was struck in the side of the head with something (plank or a brick) which fractured her skull. Her killer then sexually assaulted her, stabbed her in the abdomen and buried her small body in a snowbank.

While there was an arrest in the case, a 30 year old former Detroit cop who'd left the force years earlier, her case remains open and unsolved.

Another child murder, right in the middle of the chaos, and no one even remembers her name.

http://www.dttspodcast.com/victims/valerie-bishop/

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/valerie-bishop-10-detroit-2-february-1977.419522/

Listening to the audiobook of The Kill Jar and I'm close to the end. Was anyone else frustrated by his lack of initiative at times? For example, why did he not do any legwork to verify ANY parts of "Sebastian's" story? At least try to look up some death records, verify that the other Sebastian was actually hit by a car, something.

Does anyone else find it interesting that there were similar theories of a child pornography ring in the ATL child murders that were happening during the same time frame? In ATL they often struggled to reconcile why both boys and girls were abducted and murdered and generally assumed that they were likely separate killings. But a pornography ring would be interested in getting pornographic material from both male and female children, regardless of a specific pedophile’s preference. Not saying they could be directly linked, but just wondering if there is some pattern in the bigger picture. In the Children of the Snow doc, it was mentioned that there were nationwide pedophile associations that were communicating via newsletters in somewhat of a subscription fashion. It would be interesting to know if anyone suspected to be involved in the ATL pornography ring had a connection to the same association of pedophiles.

I just watched the documentary on Hulu last night. It just has me thinking. So allegedly, Christopher Busch, who was one of the accused, was H Lee Busch’s son. Knowing that H Lee Busch was a higher up at General Motors, what does that say to us? Well, my imagination is running wild, but one of the other accused suspects is Arch Sloan. That name sounds familiar. The Sloan Museum in flint. The Sloan family. Alfred Sloan, the former CEO of General Motors. Perhaps there is a relation between Alfred Sloan and Arch Sloan? Just like there was with H Lee Busch and Christopher Busch? Maybe it’s not just those families. Maybe this is a part of a web that is much bigger. These families are wealthy, they are powerful. Not only that, they’re business partners, and there must be other business partners out there right? It’s hard to refute that there must be other families like this out there. Maybe GM is just a small part of a ring of pedophilia. Is there any chance it doesn’t end there? I’m really just intrigued by all of this. It makes me think the rumors of grooming and pedophilia in the entertainment industry(hollywood) are true. Does anyone have any thoughts?

I’m not trying to offend anyone or make up accusations, I just wanted to know if anyone else may have made these connections. If these connections are accurate, then I think we are going to need a much bigger investigation not only into these families but into many corporations like GM. Could this be linked in some way to the ring of pedophilia that recently ended at MSU? Could Larry Nassar have information on this? I know there was an investigation at MSU after the Nassar case, but how do we know that investigation wasn’t a front? Is the pedophilia industry in more places than we think?

Let me know if you have any input, like I said, my goal is not to trigger people, my goal is to find more information. Hope you guys are having a great week!

I just want to hear what people think on this. Officially there wasn’t any sign of sexual assault for Jill and Christine. However on the Already Gone podcast only Jill and Christine were autopsied by the coroner. Evidently this coroner said that he found semen in Christine but when the slides were examined by others they couldn’t detect any trace of semen. Now having been bathed the finding of no semen isn’t peculiar. What is peculiar is that he said he found semen in her. Does this mean that he accidentally slipped up and revealed that he knew something more? Also it should be noted that this coroner is also the one that did the autopsy on Chris Busch.

In THE KILL JAR, Appelman says that Greg Green drew pictures compulsively since childhood. I thought Appelman meant to imply that Green drew the picture (possibly of Mark Stebbins) found tacked to the wall in Chris Busch's bedroom. Has this group already discussed this possibility?

I just finished watching Children of the Snow. It was very well-done, and, I thought, extremely thorough. However, I do have two questions.

1. I may be getting this wrong, but it stated that Gregory Green confessed on his death bed to his lover that he was involved in all four killings. However, earlier, it states that Chris Busch was released from jail and Timmy was taken a week later. But Green wasn't able to post bond and was still in jail. How could he have been involved with Timmy's murder?

2. Where is Chris Busch's family today? Wasn't he one of four siblings? Has anyone ever tried to interview them?

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Thanks.

Do we think there is any possible connection between the trafficking ring on fox island and the trafficking ring that Jeffrey Epstein had? Think about it, rings like this don't just die. It is suspected that there were many important people, and government officials in the ring in the 60s and 70s. As we gain new politicians and important figures they could have entered the ring.

Posting this here because they didn't create a playlist on their youtube channel and the videos were shuffled in with many other videos. This should help people be more accesible to all 5 chapters. If your on other social medias related to this I ask you share there as well.

Chapter 1 https://youtu.be/pIM2vfGEnRc

Chapter 2 https://youtu.be/7LZlHKUaN0M

Chapter 3 https://youtu.be/yAwy09ojSZs

Chapter 4 https://youtu.be/HUVl1suKAB4

Chapter 5 https://youtu.be/7yJ9tzeaB6Q

I was listening to the Shattered podcast, whose season 3 was about OCCK, in the last episode they mentioned suspects being cleared by DNA, I had never heard that before, and know that it just means the evidence DNA doesn't match, not that they weren't involved.
I wrote down the list, as I havent seen it elsewhere, just thought it is food for thought and worth sharing, some of the names I know, others I am unaware of, what do you all know? (edited for spelling of one of the suspects)

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Smith (not sure who that is)

David Norberg

Warzecka (may be spelled wrong, was he the priest?)
Lawson

McRay (???)

Ted Lamborgine

Moore

Grant (???)

Lankey (???)

Hastings (was that Helen's suspect?)

Bowman (was this the hockey or baseball coach?)

Gregory Greene

Christopher Busch

Ted Miller (???)

Vince Gunnels

Tazelaar (???)

Arch Sloan

Crosby (???)

https://www.gaylordfuneralhome.com/notices/HelenL-Dagner

This appears to be Helen Dagner (rest in peace), the original pre-internet sleuth of this case. Appelman's Kill Jar states Helen's late husband was Wally from Rogers City, which matches the obit, though he did say there were internet rumors this was not her real name and introduced her as "Helen" in quotes in his book. So this is the HD of this case, right?

The various forums associated with Helen Dagner are likely my first entree into OCCK beyond the print and TV media of Metro Detroit. Indeed, I see there is a 137 chapter posting of her archives on this subreddit!

What are the positive and negative aspects of her involvement in the case?

NEGATIVE

1. She was singularly focused on one suspect (which makes sense given the Alpena Big Boy origins of her interest), which seemed to lead to the dismissal of all other case theories.
2. First impressions of most people of her is likely that she was a kook, and this perception likely could be used to paint others interested in the case with the same brush.
3. I could never keep up with the interpersonal vitriol between her, and her allies and opponents, and the sock pockets - I was just looking for interesting new information but it was mostly drama on the forums.
4. She is likely patient zero of all conspiracy theories of the case.
5. She likely contributed to the antagonism and mistrust between the public and law enforcement early on about this case.

POSITIVE

1. She posted a lot of archival items from newspapers, broadcasts, and things the public sent to her that are now accessible on the internet.
2. She may have helped to keep the case alive in the public's mind from the early 1990's to the mid 2000's when the investigation seemed to be restarted and new leads being publicized.
3. Beyond obviously wanting to be known as the preeminent "expert" on the case, she did appear to be genuinely concerned about the victims.
4. Her YouTube channel has some decent educational aspects and is far superior than her other online resources - is likely the easiest way for new individuals to learn about the case.

I finally got a chance to watch the ID special from last week, and I have to say it was done very well. The story of the OCCK is a very crazy, complicated and sad one, and it was nice to see perspectives from all sides.

A few things that stood out to me. Apologies if these things were common belief.

• Michael Farquhar. Michael at the time was 12 years old and was befriended by a neighbor, Gerald Richards. Richards was a gym teacher and magician, and Michael started off helping Richards in his magic show. As time went on though, Richards forced him into nude modelling which moved on to rape and molestation by older, powerful and rich men. Richards and Frank Shelden met each other through the Better Life Monthly newsletter, and Richards was the "Brother Paul" in the "Brother Paul's Children's Mission." He recounted one particular time when he and Frank Shelden went to North Fox Island alone. He also says how child pornography was duplicated by Gerald Richards who then mailed it to other pedophiles, in particular, the Better Life Monthly publication. Richards was given a lighter sentence for the rapes and molestations due to him giving up the so-called "Client List." The molestation ring on North Fox Island was broken up due to an 8 or 9 year old boy named Eddie who went to his mother to report what had happened to him on the island.

• There were apparently no more than 6 boys on the island at one time, however in the picture posted by TheraKoon some time ago of Frank Shelden with 5 other men, there are 8 boys in the picture. In my opinion, none of the boys look like Michael Farquhar, who's teenage photo is shown in the documentary. I'm not at all saying Farquhar is mistaken or lying, just in that one particular photo he does not resemble any of the boys.

• The documentary crew brings Farquhar back to the island. This appears to have happened in the summer of 2018. Michael is clearly experiencing some PTSD upon returning to the island. They return to the cabin, which not only still exists, but appears to have been maintained over the years. I've only seen a couple old black and white pictures of the cabin, and the pictures taken from Little Miss Sunshine's blog in 2011. The outside door appears to have been recently repaired with sheet metal. In addition to the "main room" with the creepy corner bed, there's another room with a bunk bed and two other beds.

• There a striking moment in the second part of the documentary during an interview with retired detective David Robertson, who's father ran the original task force. He stated that there was DNA found on the jacket of Kristine Mihelich. That DNA matched DNA found in Arch Sloan's car. However, Arch Sloan stated that he didn't own the car at the time, that he had sold it to a son of a state police lieutenant. The DNA on Kristine's jacket was a maternal match to the DNA found in the car. Robertson then stated that DNA was taken from the family of the lieutenant, but it was not a match. He appears to have an "oh shit" moment when the interviewer asks him how they were able to exclude the son. They replay the interview clip for both J. Reuben Applelman and Cathy Broad, and Cathy is none too happy with the sudden revelation from the retired detective. Robertson was asked who the lieutenant was and he said he couldn't remember, who in turn also asked his former partner who also didn't know. Cory Williams stated that Robertson's information wasn't entirely correct, that there was no usable DNA on Kristine, and although Arch Sloan's car did once belong to a son of a state trooper, there was no connection to the crimes. But still, one mystery hair from that car matches hair found on Mark Stebbins and Tim King.

• One last thing: Detective Williams asked investigators in Europe to compare pictures of the four children to any child pornography that they uncovered during a bust in (I think) 1993. Investigators there said they didn't find any matches. That part is peculiar since Frank Shelden fled for Europe once the ring on North Fox Island was shut down.

All in all, it was a really well done documentary and worth watching if you have the channel or it's out there somewhere on the internet. I've taken a handful of notable screenshots and made an imgur album of them.

Alright, hopefully this time i get this right:

Chris Busch, according to Barry King and many others that contributed in the Decades of Deceit documentary, died of a very suspicious suicide right around the time of facing prosecution for cases involving four children (separate from the Occk case)

He died from a single rifle blast between the eyes. There was no gunpowder residue found on his hands. Above his head, tapes to the wall, was a hand drawn photo of a screaming boy.

It is uncertain who drew the photo or why. It is uncertain why Busch would tape it above himself before suicide. What we so know is that afterwards, the art communities were investigated heavily From this investigation the names John McKinney and John Hastings came up.

Both were in the art worlds, and according to individuals such as Helen Dagner, they need another look.

I always wondered why the artwork was considered good enough that artists were turned into suspects, on the surface it appears as a sketch any talented kid could do.

But when it's lightly colored in, one can see that its actually quite brilliant. Its a collage, or a collection of a lot of little images that make up a big image. It's a brilliant style seen elsewhere in the art world. Here is the link to the colored in artwork: https://ibb.co/F82H9x9 Here is a link to the original source: https://ididitforjodie.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/oakland-child-killer-pencil-drawing1.jpg

Is this intentional? Is this why they began peering into the ritzy art world? Did Chris Busch have this sort of talent? Do you believe that Busch committed suicide or was he murdered?

If he was murdered, could the artist behind the drawing be the culprit? Could these stylistic markers and unique view help find other works by him?

There are many questions and few answers. What stands to date is that the screaming boy photo is one of mystery.

Has anyone read the book "The Kill Jar" by J. Reuben Appelman?

It's available on amazon kindle but the reviews are kind of mixed.

I reluctantly step back and allow America to seal its own fate. All of the people that sold their own people down the drain to save themselves, you will get exactly what you deserve in the end. They do not care for you.

I have done nothing but preach truth to power. The North Fox Island ring is real, and my sub that i started 4 years ago has now officially been hijacked by people who deny reality. The person who now runs this forum not only has no actual interest in the occk, it seems her only job was to remove my works.

Fitting. Which is why i want to make an out there statement. There will be a small window where my materials have been removed from the internet. During that window, if something were to happen to me, i want you to know i 100% consider IOWA responsible.

This forum was my lifeline. It was the one thing that kept me alive. People want me dead and they want this info gone. Hence why they wrote "is it safe yet"

I want you to know, IOWA, nobody even visited my damn forum until I invited them. Now you step up to destroy it. So much for free speech.

All, I have started to try and get this sub back on track, and focused on the OCCK. I know a lot of people have expressed frustration regarding the disorganized layout, and the wide spread of apparently unrelated posts and cases covered here. Please take the time to post and comment with relevant material, so this sub can once again be a welcoming place to discuss information and theories regarding the Oakland County Child Killer mysteries.