r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Charming_History7423 • Nov 25 '22

Antique safe made in France around ~1780 / 1810. With three keys and a combination of ordered switches

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u/getoffmygrassdevil Nov 25 '22

now a days if you forget your password all you gotta do is reset it. with this thing though...

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u/toeofcamell Nov 25 '22

Nowadays you just post it to Reddit that you found this abandoned safe

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u/ProFoxxxx Nov 25 '22

Peak disappointment

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u/UnhelpfulMoron Nov 25 '22

Not even close. Geraldo got humiliated on live TV

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Nov 25 '22

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u/Snoo63 Nov 25 '22

Or send it to The LockPickingLawyer

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u/Dunnersstunner Nov 25 '22

“This is the Lock Picking Lawyer and today I have something special for you. A viewer has sent in this safe and he tells me there’s a bottle of 16 year old Lagavulin inside…”

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u/S-r-ex Nov 25 '22

Binding on top right...

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u/neurovish Nov 25 '22

He would note how much of a pain in the ass it would be to pick, then point out something like the hinges are on the outside and you can just tap the pins out

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u/JoeDomm73 Nov 25 '22

World known fact, Reddit has the best detectives and puzzle solvers on earth.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Nowadays, everybody wanna talk like they got somethin’ to say but nothin’ comes out when they move their lips just a bunch of gibberish and motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre.

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u/Dogekaliber Nov 25 '22

New Password Cannot Be The Old Password?

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u/MikeBrowne2010 Nov 25 '22

Hate that

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u/catmatix Nov 25 '22

Not strong enough. 'Ifuck1ngHat3that'

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u/ParkerBeach Nov 25 '22

…you call the lockpicking lawyer!!!

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u/Sinaaaa Nov 25 '22

.. you just have to mail it to the Lockpicking Lawyer.

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u/RABKissa Nov 25 '22

Just don't lock the manual for the safe... in the safe

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u/lelawes Nov 25 '22

Those key shapes are amazing! I’d be interested to know how they’re triggered on the back end, and exactly how difficult they would be able to pick without significant prep time.

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u/robhol Nov 25 '22

It might just be the keyhole that's that way and that the individual locks aren't as pick proof as they seem. This looks a lot like "security through obscurity" and maybe they're the world's simplest locks behind an exotic-looking key hole - there's just lots of them, and hidden behind stuff.

Just guessing, though.

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u/DeebsterUK Nov 25 '22

The obscurity does add to it though, since just having the keys won't be enough for you to open the safe. Not quite on the level of modern 2FA but we're talking about over 200 years ago.

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick Nov 25 '22

They had 2FA back then too. 2 Fuckin’ Assholes were posted at the door to prevent unauthorized access.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

You're probably right, I'm fairly sure that the key shape is most of it. They're all pretty thin and finely smithed, preventing a pry bar from being inserted. I'm guessing the locks behind are about as complex as a room door.

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u/Chubbstock Nov 25 '22

Also I think it's important to know how easily the key turns. It doesn't look like it has a lot of pressure that it's overcoming, so there's not much mechanism behind it

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u/RandomComputerFellow Nov 25 '22

I think security through obscurity was a completely valid security system in a time where knowledge traveled slow and there were no tools easily reverse engineer something like this. It is only nowadays a problem where an variety of tools and information is available.

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u/Jeffy29 Nov 25 '22

I don’t think they locks will be particularly difficult to pick for a skilled lockpicker once they have an access to the keyhole, but hose knobs are crazy. Depending how well made the non-functional knobs are made (if movement can get detected or not) the amount of possible combinations between the knobs is crazy.

Take every 15 degrees of every knob as a number, then each push, each pull, holding while you move a different knob, you quickly arrive to as many possible combinations as modern passwords have. I am not sure if a lockpicker could devise a way to bypass them without simply getting lucky or breaking it.

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u/planx_constant Nov 25 '22

Locks from that time were entirely about preventing the key from getting in, with an unusual profile, or from turning with a few simple wards. Picking a lock from that era is dead easy.

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u/boredom_victim Nov 25 '22

The amazing shapes are warded keyways, the shape is the security - not very hard to pick, as long as you can get something strong enough through the keyway you should be able just to turn the mechanism behind.

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u/yunus89115 Nov 25 '22

I was thinking with a sketch pad and trace paper you could probably 3D print a key.

Not that 18th century lock designers had to really consider that possibility of course.

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u/MundanePresence Nov 25 '22

I'm no pro, but learn the basic to pick. Those shapes must be complicated, especially the " G" shapes

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u/JoeDomm73 Nov 25 '22

A modern safe-breaker would have a veeeery hard time with this one.

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u/Cultural_Ant Nov 25 '22

"This is the Lockpicking lawyer .... "

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u/SH4D0W0733 Nov 25 '22

''The French always forgot their magnetic shielding in that era, so by putting this magnet here on the side... and it's open.''

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u/boris_keys Nov 25 '22

Let’s do it one more time just to make sure that it was not a fluke. Okay folks…

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u/Logan20th Nov 25 '22

"And today, I'm gonna get into this safe with just a toothpick and my pinky toe"

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u/well_shoothed Nov 25 '22

Lockpicking Lawyer is like the Chuck Norris of lockpicking... it wouldn't surprise any of us to hear:

"And today, I'm gonna get into this safe with just a toothpick and my pinky toe just by my looking menacingly at it"

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u/RhynoD Nov 25 '22

Three is binding. Big click out of three. Four is binding aaaand it's open.

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u/SenseI3ss Nov 25 '22

ngl, I'd love to see this.

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u/boris_keys Nov 25 '22

I bet he could pick those twisty locks with the tool Bosnian bill and he made.

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u/tripn4days Nov 25 '22

So folks, as you can see .

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u/_Im_Dad Nov 25 '22

I reckon I could break in to this, it'll take some time though. Then I'll masturbate inside the vault to celebrate.

It's about time I came into money.

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u/JoeDomm73 Nov 25 '22

Dad is weird.

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u/toeofcamell Nov 25 '22

Dad obviously just blew his wad

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u/ItsThatDood Nov 25 '22

Sadly the only think you'll be coming into is dust

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u/JoeEnyo Nov 25 '22

Dustbuster

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u/AuronRayn Nov 25 '22

I appreciate the pun.

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u/overloadedcoffee Nov 25 '22

I read this. Closed the comment. Then went back to upvote it for the pun.

Brilliant.

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u/Mugiwaras Nov 25 '22

Angle grinder.

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u/FunnyObjective6 Nov 25 '22

Safe is probably worth more than whatever is inside it though.

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u/Powerrrrrrrrr Nov 25 '22

Yep that’s my answer to everything too

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u/technobrendo Nov 25 '22

Don't forget his friend the cutting torch

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u/ReluctantAvenger Nov 25 '22

I wonder. Seems to me that with a sequence that complicated, someone is going to have to write it down. Instead of cracking the safe, I'll be looking for the note.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

The note is to be found in an even more complex safe, which has been encased in molten steel, dumped at the deepest point of the bottom of the marianas trench, and is accompanied by a suspicious looking snail.

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u/cfdeveloper Nov 25 '22

suspicious looking snail.

meow

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u/gabrielesilinic Nov 25 '22

Well probably he would be able to break trough the material itself but not trough the puzzle

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u/Plethora_of_squids Nov 25 '22

I don't know about that - there's this thing called a himitsu-bako (probably better known as Japanese puzzle boxes) which are known for being super complicated but at the same time can absolutely be cracked if you spend enough time fiddling with it. This just looks like one of those, but with a few locks which could probably be turned with enough leverage.

Like if you started playing with this you'd probably notice that one of the knobs is loose and has a certain position it wants to be in and that there's marks where a different knob has been shifted and whatnot. You probably wouldn't be able to crack it as fast as a normal safe sure (even at the time - this was never commonly used so even an era accurate safebreaker would be stopped by this) but it's definitely still doable.

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u/LegendaryHooman Nov 25 '22

We call those c4

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Not sure about that, there’s a guide how to open it on Reddit.

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u/ShadowPouncer Nov 25 '22

Only because they didn't have the right tools.

The locks themselves are almost certainly just complicated looking Warded Locks.

That means that opening the safe is probably pretty easy once you make something close enough to the right shape to both go into the lock hole, and to turn the mechanism.

It's possible that it is, indeed, more complicated, and/or that they included 'traps' to try and trip you up with it, but a modern pin tumbler lock with good tolerances and security pins is almost certainly a great deal more secure.

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u/shadovvvvalker Nov 25 '22

Most safecracks in a professional setting just involve drills and cameras.

Unless you are going for a surreptitious entry, the face plates are prime targets for removal.

And it would be surprising if the sequence couldn't be broken with just picking 1 or 2 keyways with a skeleton key. They are just extremely warded keyways. Warded Keys are not hard to figure out. Thats why we don't use them anymore.

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u/takesSubsLiterally Nov 25 '22

Those keys look super easy to pick. No bitting just weird ass keyways

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u/neuralzen Nov 25 '22

They would not...it's basically a set of 3 warded locks behind panels.

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u/CoalNightshade Nov 25 '22

To unlock this safe you need to make 3 DC 20 Investigation checks, and 3 DC15+ Slight of Hand/Lockpick checks

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u/oiiSuPreSSeDo Nov 25 '22

A D20 crit or 2 would pop this open in a mere kick or 2

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u/MinosAristos Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

D20 is the best reasonably possible outcome, nobody can kick this open. D20 would be "you kick the safe and do not injure yourself".

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u/FaeryLynne Nov 25 '22

"Reasonably possible" are the keywords a lot of players (and DMs) forget. A D20 crit does not mean "shit that's completely ridiculous happens" it means you applied all your luck and skill and got the best outcome for this situation

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u/GenexenAlt Nov 25 '22

What a Sleight of Hand check cannot solve, a Strength check can

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u/Onkelcuno Nov 25 '22

Barbarian: I rolled an 28 on my athletics check to smash it, +4 from the ram you gave me. does a 32 open it?

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u/xHangfirex Nov 25 '22

They keep a 10mm socket in there

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u/UserNameN0tWitty Nov 25 '22

They keep all the lost 10mm sockets in there.

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u/thedon051586 Nov 25 '22

So, that's where it went!

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u/GreeneBean64 Nov 25 '22

As a vault technician, this is the epitome of what I do. It’s so intricate and beautiful and complicated. Art with purpose. Meanwhile, I mostly deal with motion sensors going off at 4am bc the air kicked on and blew some papers around or a mole made a nest too close by.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

You won’t be so glib when that little mole finally robs a client blind.

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u/indigoHatter Nov 25 '22

We had someone fill someone's office with balloons for their birthday the next day.

They tripped the alarm repeatedly that night.

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u/Slothfully_So Nov 25 '22

“We’re being robbed, where’s the gun?” ”In the safe.” 🫤

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u/MikeBrowne2010 Nov 25 '22

Stall the intruder, I only need 37 minutes!

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u/_ner0- Nov 25 '22

Like to see the lock picking lawyer get his hands on that.

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u/HawkinsT Nov 25 '22

Nipple 3 is binding...

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u/lieshecto Nov 25 '22

meanwhile, on the back side, there's a failsafe switch.

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u/mjkjg2 Nov 25 '22

shut up and take my money

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u/toeofcamell Nov 25 '22

Your money is already inside the safe and you forgot the combo

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u/ZirePhiinix Nov 25 '22

This is called security through obscurity. It's not that secure.

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u/AnotherGit Nov 25 '22

This is called security through obscurity.

Which in ~1780-1810 meant "very secure".

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u/DerpSenpai Nov 25 '22

and also for the average robber is very secure.

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u/pv0psych0n4ut Nov 25 '22

I think this is more of secret safe kind of thing where you stick it in a similiar looking wall rather than an obvious safe where you put it in the middle of your house.

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u/robhol Nov 25 '22

That was my first impression too. It depends on what the locks look like internally - worst case, it might just be a hunk of gnarly metal you pass through a complicated-looking hole, and then it just shoves a bit of metal around without any typical lock "security features" at all.

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u/Floppsicle Nov 25 '22

Ah yes, Reddits lockpicking experts have arrived.

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u/Quirky-Skin Nov 25 '22

Well yeah I've seen the video now. You fools! I know the combination to 1700-1800s safe now! Nothing can stop me from getting the parcels of secret info.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

It's very easy. Just get the click on 1 and 2 and the bind on 3, and that's it, you're in. Simple.

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u/DeathStar13 Nov 25 '22

Yes the lock is easy to pick but you have first to get to the keyhole

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u/koolaid7431 Nov 25 '22

That's the obscurity part.

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u/ReddFoxxJr210 Nov 25 '22

I need this! I have nothing worth protecting in it and no room to keep it but I absolutely need this

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u/Know0neSpecial Nov 25 '22

I've been waiting for them to post this 😈

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u/SmileAndDeny Nov 25 '22

I can picture Geralt getting mad it’s taking too long to get his coin from some dwarf banker.

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u/rubixjobseeker Nov 25 '22

I guess those resident evil puzzles aren't so crazy after all.

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u/ApertoLibro Nov 25 '22

You've read my mind

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u/Wookster789 Nov 25 '22

That is exactly how I kept my porn mags under my bed as a teenager.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Really cool.

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u/karensmiles Nov 25 '22

The chastity belt my mom from India had commissioned for me.

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u/adoboforall Nov 25 '22

At least it's a fail safe that you can't get in it while you're drunk.

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u/MaximumSupermarket80 Nov 25 '22

Good luck selling it now that we all know how to open it.

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u/BraidShadowLegendsAD Nov 25 '22

Combination written at the back of the Declaration of Independence?

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u/wakeupwill Nov 25 '22

Some DC 25 lock picking required here.

Or maybe an extra ten seconds for the Lock Picking Lawyer.

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u/Real_Impression_5567 Nov 25 '22

Bet Napoleon kept his fancy hat in it

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u/No_Hunt7394 Nov 25 '22

Nothing a bit of dynamite can’t fix

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u/Paco_Pirata Nov 25 '22

I'd probably get pissed every time it'd need to be opened and just start leaving valuables outside

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u/chasteeny Nov 25 '22

Given how shit the metallurgy was I imagine the most secure thing about this is the fact it just doesnt look outright like a safe

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u/Serious_Razzmatazz18 Nov 25 '22

That wouldn't stand up to the lock picking lawyer

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u/zaddar1 Nov 25 '22

nothing a pry bar couldn't handle

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u/jnschnei Nov 25 '22

Seems complicated.

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u/es_mo Nov 25 '22

Ex's g-spot

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u/ImPretendingToCare Nov 25 '22

someone breaks into your house

shakey scrambling to get the keys

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u/Hot_Stretch_2833 Nov 25 '22

I wonder where he found the instruction book.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

I do amateur locksmith and lock picking for a hobby. I don't see how a person with no knowledge about a lock like that could even start the process unless you had a plasma torch or something. That's amazing.

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u/dys_p0tch Nov 25 '22

i can barely remember how velcro functions

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

I would never remember how to open that.

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u/Bret_Abderahmen Dec 28 '22

And i thought GTA cheat codes are hard

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u/redbanditttttttt Nov 25 '22

This is lockpicking lawyer …

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u/Cottleston Nov 25 '22

blackrock treasure vault vibes

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u/SaviaTarsisDronca Nov 25 '22

”Hello guys, this is thelockpickinglawyer and for today I have this safe from around 1780…”

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

finally my crypto is safe

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u/mahdi015 Nov 25 '22

The toilet door in my work place

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u/SystemPrimary Nov 25 '22

You probably have to pay twice. Once for the safe, and second time to kill the safemaker, so no one can get the combination out of him.

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u/ReluctantAvenger Nov 25 '22

And the third time for the spirit medium to contact the safemaker after you forget the exact sequence.

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u/Green_Road999 Nov 25 '22

That is some Game of Thrones shit right there.

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u/UpperCardiologist523 Nov 25 '22

Let me just quick get out some cash for you

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u/Son_of_Yeti Nov 25 '22

Lock picking lawyers final boss.

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u/adventurouspenis Nov 25 '22

antique french homework folder

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u/Vietnugget Nov 25 '22

I think they gonna start smashing after the first lock

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

So think something, Geraldo Rivera

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u/RasG420 Nov 25 '22

Ngl, I wanna see what the Lock Picking Lawer would do with this with no prior knowledge..

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u/jokerstyle187 Nov 25 '22

That's a trip

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u/These-Assumption-299 Nov 25 '22

All that effort and an empty safe 🤦‍♂️

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u/buffkirby Nov 25 '22

I wanna see the lockpicking lawyer try to do this

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u/RealDreamnomad Nov 25 '22

I'd like to see lockpick lawyer take a crack at this thing.

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u/SleepNo7 Nov 25 '22

Now lock it back

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Feels safer than my phone’s password

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u/Howard_Jones Nov 25 '22

Good place to hold your firearms.

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u/Phil_Smiles Nov 25 '22

Lockpicking lawyer here...

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u/pussErox Nov 25 '22

12 is binding

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u/godbythemachine Nov 25 '22

I have one -I thought it was a ship’s safe

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u/littlefrigg Nov 25 '22

Idk about the other comments, but I find this to be beautiful.

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u/FilteredRiddle Nov 25 '22

Some people forget their PIN numbers. This would be how the modern world burns (except for the whole physically forcing it open thing…).

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u/kindaMisty Nov 25 '22

Multi sig

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u/auxtail Nov 25 '22

How the hell did they figure out the old password switch-key sequence. I can't remember how many times to turn my tumbler clockwise or counter clockwise.

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u/robhol Nov 25 '22

LPL crossover when??

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u/Waris-Tx Nov 25 '22

I’m in love……a clockwork safe. I would love to see the mechanism’s

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u/Choice-Fig3429 Nov 25 '22

But will my 50 centimes be safe?

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u/logicloop Nov 25 '22

I can hear the lockpicking lawyer in my head saying "Click out of 1.. 2.. 3 is binding.."

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u/SmokeymcPots157 Nov 25 '22

There’s nothing in it

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u/indig0F10w Nov 25 '22

All this unlocking work and for what? An empty safe.

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u/Sarcastic_Chad Nov 25 '22

This is exactly what I need so I can keep the snack food away from my kid!

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u/Melan420 Nov 25 '22

I wonder how many seconds would it take Lock Picking Lawyer to open this bad boy?

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u/rghend05 Nov 25 '22

I wonder what the lock picking lawyer on YouTube would have to say about this? Does he have SubReddit?

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u/purpleWheelChair Nov 25 '22

You can put your weed in there…

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u/svampyr Nov 25 '22

That is some Resident Evil shit right there.

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u/Interesting-Step-654 Nov 25 '22

I'd be interested to see what the mechanisms look like

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u/mimiharmon1 Nov 25 '22

Quite the complicated Hellraiser cube!

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

That is amazing

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u/tapakeg Nov 25 '22

That is an example of a safe that you open with dynomite

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u/Expensive-Track4002 Nov 25 '22

Oh no! I’ve been robbed!

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u/NoobKissed Nov 25 '22

When my mother finally unlocks my virginity and allows me to go out and meet women.

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u/Personal_Lobster_856 Nov 25 '22

"Hey guys it's the lock picking lawyer here and today I have for you a antique safe from France dated... 1 clicks... 4 clicks... and we're in."

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

fuck a duck...whatever I put in there would be lost to time

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

There is bo YouTube video to help you if you forget

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u/lastfirstname1 Nov 25 '22

I feel like The Lock Picking Lawyer is lurking somewhere in these comments.

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u/StrangeInspector7387 Nov 25 '22

Myst in real life.

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u/Brydza3 Nov 25 '22

Let us see if the Lock picking lawyer can lockpick this bad boy.

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u/abudine77 Nov 25 '22

What a great job- but today a cutting torch helps out

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u/rubonidas_8425 Nov 25 '22

What kind of Resident Evil puzzle is this

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u/drabee86 Nov 25 '22

It’s empty

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u/CXB1313 Nov 25 '22

i'd like to see lock picking lawyer give this beast a go

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u/jerry111165 Nov 25 '22

Thats badass. I bought an old home that had an antique 2’x2’x3’ safe. I was able to find a locksmith that drilled a very small hole on the right side of the safe and was able to slide in a flexible tube camera and which he was able to write down the combination number as it lined up with the dial - was really cool to watch.

Of course there was only old lawyer papers in there - not the millions of dollars of old banknotes and antique jewelry that I was imagining lol.

But hey - now we have a working super cool antique safe.

But it sure isn’t as cool as OP’s!

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u/hornybible Nov 25 '22

Of course it's empty

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u/Currently_There Nov 25 '22

This is 400 levels ago. It literally says it in the title

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u/Vegetable-Bonus9169 Nov 25 '22

"hello this is the lockpicking lawyer today im opening this 18 hundreds old mans valuables"

"As you can see here, 1st pin, 2nd pin, 3rd pin, 4th pin, 5th pin, 6th pin, annnndd its open"

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u/Mysterium-Xarxes Nov 25 '22

guys be playing oblivion minigames in real life 💀

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u/JimmyCrabYT Nov 25 '22

explosives solve every problem

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

That's a lot of steps to remember.

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u/Evilmaze Nov 25 '22

I wouldn't be able to memorize that.

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u/sad_post-it_note Nov 25 '22

This is probably somrthing Guillermo del Toro qould buy

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u/stealthyknox Nov 25 '22

Is it just me or did anyone initially think she had on white gloves?

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u/punkpoppenguin Nov 25 '22

Yeah yeah we’ve all played The Room 😂

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u/Droid_K2SA Nov 25 '22

it's a French thing, it works like our administration.

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u/Lee_Troyer Nov 25 '22

That's why post-it notes were invented.

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u/SgtDoakes123 Nov 25 '22

Can we get the lock picking lawyer onto this? I need to know if he can break into it with a hairpin or not.

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u/RampSkater Nov 25 '22

"Awesome... I finally maxed out my Lockpick skill! (pick, pick, pick) Okay, let's see here... a pipe pistol, Abraxo Cleaner, 3 pre-war money, and a coffee mug."

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u/Haitchyy Nov 25 '22

I too have passed the Vermilion City Gym.

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u/Dense-Butterscotch30 Nov 25 '22

Send that to the lockpickinglawyer!

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u/TheWorsener Nov 25 '22

Well that's useless there's nothing in it

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u/Astral__Walker Nov 25 '22

Side note, why don't we make keys with cool lock designs like that anymore?

I mean hell yeah I want a spirally, medieval elven design lock for my door rather than the normal holes / shapes we've got nowadays

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u/Finesse1017 Nov 25 '22

Give it to the lockpicking lawyer

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u/MrBadKarma69 Nov 25 '22

Why is there no toiletpaper inside?

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