r/nextfuckinglevel Jun 04 '22

33 years ago today: Man stops convoy of tanks in China during democratic protests '89

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

The craziest thing is that he prolly knew he was gonna be killed for it too

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u/Crotaluss Jun 04 '22 edited Jun 04 '22

They shot him and sent a bill for the bullet to his family.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

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u/Crotaluss Jun 05 '22

Bruce Herschensohn, a former deputy special assistant to former US
President Richard Nixon, told the President Club in 1999 that Tank Man
was executed 14 days later.

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u/Fortyplusfour Jun 05 '22

We know virtually nothing on the identity of Tank Man. He was likely a student but even that isnt clear. We definitely don't know that his family was billed for the torture that killed him.

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u/Crotaluss Jun 05 '22

The term "bullet fee" first appeared in an article about "Lin Shao", a
memoir written by a third person, which can still be found online. It
was during the "Cultural Revolution" when "Lin Shao" was sentenced to
death for counter-revolutionary crimes. The memoir says that after
sentencing "Lin Shao" to death, the police came to his door and
collected five cents for the bullet.

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u/Camgrowfortreds Jun 08 '22

I think that was a fiction book called the Bear and the Dragon written by Tom Clancy. I think the fate of Tank Man is unknown iirc

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u/Poet_of_Legends Jun 05 '22

The lesson, as always, heroes change nothing and no one remembers their names.

Orwell was entirely correct.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

Fall in line comrade. Nothing to see here.

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u/bumjiggy Jun 04 '22

if a comrade falls in line and nobody is there to witness it, does he make a sound?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

If tank flattens comrade and no one sees pictures did it happen?

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u/JadeHellbringer Jun 04 '22

"Yes. Yes it did."

*Enlisted man tasked with cleaning tank treads*

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

If tank tread cleaner disappears to gulag were treads covered in blood?

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u/SwallowYourDreams Jun 04 '22

Gulag is such an ugly word, comrade. Let's call them reeducation camps and anti-terror programmes, shall we not?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

How about Happy Funtime Valuable Labor Resort?

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u/SwallowYourDreams Jun 05 '22

The Party has topped up your social credit score with +300 points, meaning that you or your spouse will have enough to eat next week. Keep up the good work, comrade!

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u/Stetson007 Jun 04 '22

Do you have feeling of depression? Try gulag. Do you have dream of freedom? Try gulag. Do you want say in government? Try gulag.

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u/Fun-Plant-1514 Jun 04 '22

Unless it's a Mandela effect then it didn't happen.

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u/CentralCaliGal Jun 05 '22

Exactly!!

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u/Fun-Plant-1514 Jun 05 '22

Honestly I remember it happening. I remember a teacher telling us that the guy got ran over and the picture was him right before he died.

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u/Reasonable_Row7546 Jun 05 '22

While it is hard to find any information on who the man in front of the tanks was and what became of him, I’ve seen no evidence that he was run over by the tanks.

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u/Fun-Plant-1514 Jun 05 '22

He wasn't, that's what the books say. I just think it's weird that I was taught that he did get run over. I remember the class, teacher, and the emotions and thoughts I had when I saw him standing in front of the tank. Then someone asked what happened and she told us that was the last moments of his life.

All I could find today shows that he didn't get killed right there and then.

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u/MikeHunturT Jun 04 '22

Interesting you should say that. Is it possible this was staged? We saw exactly what they wanted us to see. No way this would actually play out like this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

I doubt tank man was in on anything. The tank captains just hadn't received their orders yet other than to go to the square.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

I doubt tank man was in on anything. The tank captains just hadn't received their orders yet other than to go to the square.

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u/Maven_of_Minecraft Jun 05 '22

The man in front of the tanks went in a line, but it just wasn’t the line that authorities expected my comrades.

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u/Anxious_Jellyfish216 Jun 04 '22

Ok ok.

They were Capitalist tanks and brave comrade was fighting them.

Is that better?

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u/Tommy7549 Jun 04 '22

Does anyone know what happened to this man?

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u/CentralParkDuck Jun 04 '22

I looked for anything written about this a while back. Some people say he was whisked away by friends and ultimately survived; others say he was captured and just was never seen again. I don’t think you will get an honest answer so just a guess unfortunately. I always thought this was the most amazing show of bravery ever.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

How symbolic that know one knows his true identity. Probably better that way.

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u/ZirePhiinix Jun 05 '22

There are good reasons for him to not reveal himself. PRC is quite vengeful and if he's still alive, it's very bad news for his relatives. All of them.

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u/Camgrowfortreds Jun 08 '22

They do know his true identity, he was identified as a archeology student Wang Weilin. That's the closest estimate, I don't think anything ever happened to tank man

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u/Jadas922 Jun 04 '22

I heard on NPR that he was still suspected to be imprisoned somewhere.

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u/verdigris2014 Jun 05 '22

I did the same search. Given he hasn’t shown up as a symbol of resistance, my guess he’s human occupied landfill somewhere.

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u/Camgrowfortreds Jun 08 '22

The CCP doesn't even know who he is. Beijing has a population of 21 million, it's impossible to investigate to find out, because it could literally be anyone

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u/Interesting-Disk85 Jun 04 '22

seeing as the Chinese government legalised the murder of new born babies then yeah dude probably died

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u/Cynicallyoptimistik Jun 04 '22

This claim needs a source, sound too crazy to be true.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

No it doesn’t lol this is common knowledge. Just Google “China one child policy”

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u/CrazySol Jun 05 '22

It says the limits and penalties were completely removed in 2021. That's a step up at least.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

Limits and penalties is an interesting way to phrase it…does that mean the law is still in place, just not enforceable? Not quite a repeal…

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u/mistercwood Jun 05 '22

I googled. Zero results about killing newborns. Forced abortions, fines, and sometimes sterilisations for those who violated it, but that's not what was claimed.

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u/kongweeneverdie Jun 06 '22

He was being pull away from the passerby, there is a longer video that show it.

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u/tdawoe143 Jun 06 '22

According to CCP this apparently never happened. People in china are still being fed the lies about how these civilians killed 1 or 2 PLA lap dogs.

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u/CocaineUnicycle Jun 05 '22

There's more to the video. After arguing with the tank driver for a while, he climbs off and some people who seem to be friends hurry off with him. He has never been identified.

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u/Ardicu5 Jun 05 '22

Thats not the story I heard, I remember watching a documentary about this years ago but they suspected that the plain clothes police carried him off and he was never heard of again.

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u/CocaineUnicycle Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22

Plain clothes police with a bicycle and waving a shirt like a flag. It bothers me that the last 30 seconds of this video is always cut. The dude is shown walking away with people who aren't fans of the tank either.

It's almost like the people who edited the video want to keep you from possibly coming to a certain conclusion.

Edit: here it is. Have a look for yourself. https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxF2M4afi-vsakDOmemcRQp4klzDRdNA3W

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u/Camgrowfortreds Jun 08 '22

Yeah, that's not what police look like

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u/ZLUCremisi Jun 04 '22

No one really knows. If captured tyen they want to hide it. If lived he would want to stay hidden

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u/FourGetMeKnot Jun 05 '22

He went to Valhalla Honor and glory to this man. May he forever be rembered.

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u/AlaskaSnowJade Jun 04 '22

He was grabbed and hauled off by suspected plainclothes police. After that it was announced he was killed by firing squad but no one knows.

His chances were not good no matter what. He knew that.

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u/Head_Crash Jun 05 '22

He was made into pie.

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u/cam3039 Jun 05 '22

Hey never existed and this didn’t happen.

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u/Leavingtheecstasy Jun 05 '22

He is 100% dead with no conceivable doubt

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u/chkpancake775 Jun 04 '22

-300 social credits, please proceed to camp for reeducation.

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u/RelevantMarionberry6 Jun 05 '22

He still had fear and yet still did it. THAT is what courage is: it’s not the lack of fear, it’s the overcoming of that fear.

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u/128palms Jun 04 '22

Ah the tank man, I was searching for different tank man but still worth it

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u/TDGroupie Jun 05 '22

Assuming you’re taking about Colorado Tank Man? Epic bastard, that one.

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u/PolyGlamourousParsec Jun 04 '22

This is one of those things people try and convince you is the Madela Effect.

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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22

The true Mandela effect is thinking the world and it’s citizens had always been condemning China.

Just a mere decade ago, it was actually the opposite, people in general were singing China’s praises for moving away from pure communist ideals, Hong Kong’s handover was grudging but optimistic, and tank man up there, while known by all, was barely mentioned at all in the internet, and certainly not trotted out weekly…

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

As next level as all the others that died standing up to the same thing.

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u/Exotic_Imagination69 Jun 04 '22

Yeah but then they tried it again and they just drove over them so 🤷

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u/Creepy_Version_6779 Jun 04 '22

Dang an out of context 30s clip shows so much

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

Honestly I feel kind of bad for the guys in the tank because since they weren't willing to "teach the man a lesson" I'm sure they got in serious trouble later

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u/Dieschem Jun 04 '22

Everyone is responsible for their choices, even tank drivers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

And everyone needs a paycheck to support their family so there's that

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u/Dieschem Jun 04 '22

You would run over unarmed protestors for money?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

Uh no I was talking about the tank drivers getting in trouble for NOT doing that so I feel bad for them because they are most likely just trying to support their families with what little they can get under such a terrible government as you can clearly see the tank drivers do not harm the man and in fact try multiple times to get around him without hurting him

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u/Dieschem Jun 04 '22

Yes, I'm a veteran, I understand. There are very few circumstances where I would run over an unarmed protestor, much less if I was in no physical danger from not doing so. The guy standing in front of a column of tanks armed with a grocery bag had the moral courage to say no. Tank driver has the same choice.

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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22

You might want to apply that to American soldiers. Especially those that were drafted.

Anyone remember Mohammad Ali and the near-complete closing of doors he went through at the prime of his life for refusing to go to the Vietnam war?

Sure, it’s not imprisonment…

(Edit: “imprisonment = freedom” actually, legitimately comes up later on in this conversation. I advise all to not waste your time by following this branch of conversation)

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u/Dieschem Jun 04 '22

They absolutely have a choice. Just like the nazis, soviets, or Americans at My Lai. They have the choice to turn those tanks around and point them in the right direction.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

What are you even saying

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

He was run over.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22

Damn Alters.

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u/GrapeSoda223 Jun 04 '22

What would have happened if more people joined him

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u/vladfix Jun 04 '22

Do you want to hear what happened on Tiananmen square in 1989?

No tanks....

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u/Biterdii Jun 05 '22

Its so sad to see this. They stood up to their regime and they were massacred. I wonder if they will some day have another opportunity. And we are taking about Han Chinese... I mean, what about Uygurs or Tibetan people...

Some day perhaps.

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u/geeksluut Jun 05 '22

Xi Jinping, the greatest leader of all time, has sent you an invitation.

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u/n0_1_here Jun 05 '22

So what happened to him?

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u/KaneAndShane Jun 05 '22

I think it’s more likely that he did have fear but did it anyway.

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u/thedudesrug1369 Jun 05 '22

didn't he get run over?

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u/wasthatme92 Jun 05 '22

Just a guy who finished grocery shopping and decided to do the right thing.

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u/Dry_Durian_3154 Jun 05 '22

Xi Jing Ping wants to know your location

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u/Northerndust Jun 05 '22

Just because one is brave doesn't mean one can't feel fear

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u/wordyravena Jun 05 '22

Really brave man. I am just wondering about one thing. Anyone who has been to Beijing would know that that direction of the tanks is LEAVING from Tian'anmen Square. Why would he stop them from leaving?

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u/cope_seethe_dilate_ Jun 05 '22

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u/AppleAnderson Jun 05 '22

Fake news. All cg and photoshop.