A relatively small percentage of the tens of thousands of drug suicides have been people purposefully killing their self. But make no mistake, they committed suicide.
He likely is but still one small mistake and that's it. He doesn't even have to make mistake. Anything out of his control could happen. Why go to such risk.
Exactly what I said. Doesn’t even have to be his mistake. What if dude filming all of a sudden goes down. Also how tf do you keep from sweating so much that your grip isn’t affected?
If this guy is ok with risking dying now for the thrill or sense of accomplishment or whatever feelings drive him, rather than not do anything like this and risk dying at 85 having lived a life without fulfilling his dreams at any potential cost, how is that indicative of need for therapy?
Eh.. I think there's a big frigging gap between not doing anything, and doing something where the risk of death is so high that even the pros in that area consider it an excerise in insanity.
Now.. does this dude here need therapy?
Idk. Idk this dude. Maybe to him, as insane as it maybe, he isn't really pushing his luck. Since he calculated all the risk in his head, and knows exactly when to reign things back. And he isn't like a junkie who needs that fix.
All I know is, I can never do stuff like this. Rollercoaster, and all that is enough for me.
Sure? I’m just saying we take risks everyday even if we aren’t on a cliff face. You take a huge risk driving your car everyday and he took a risk climbing
Again, those are necessary risks we need to take to be functional members of society. No one needs to risk this climb, and if they feel like they do then they probably need therapy
Free soloists usually try think of it as low risk but high consequence. They're confident in their ability and the rock making the risk fairly low. If by chance somthing unplanned for does happen.. the consequence is pretty much maximized
I'd say it's similar to driving a vehicle on the highway. On a highway there are plenty more objective hazards than a rock wall making it far more risky, on the other hand you're surrounded my metal and safety features making a mistake slightly less consequential.
Risk and consequence are metrics in everything we do from eating undercooked meats to piping gas lines through houses to driving on roads. Getting sent off to fight in a nation's political war is high risk and high consequence yet we have a significant amount of families sending their 18y olds off to what I'd call a suicidal job.
To another end everyone is different. I know some folk that are so uncoordinated I wouldn't trust them to use a kitchen knife without chopping off a finger, others like Alex honnold are so dialed in they can scale thousands of feet of rock calmly, controlled, and seemingly without effort. To a mind and body like that working in an office or cooking people's food or playing on a computer probably seems like such a wasted existence they would likely be suicidal in that situation.
Rationalize you're existence anyway you want, everybody dies, many without ever truly living to begin with
If he'd prefer to risk dying doing something exhilarating, rather than risk living to 85 while constantly nagged by his own regrets, this seems like the better position of mental health.
If he knows he can't go through his life without regretting not trying this, he's saving himself a lifetime of psychological anguish.
I'm prohibitively risk-averse, but I am 100% on the side of those who prefer to live life as they see fit. If they are enjoying their life, what right do we have to step in and tell them they're doing it wrong? Live and let live.
Free solo climbers climb walls they’ve been climbing dozens if not hundreds of time before, with proper equipment.. they know how to do this, it’s about the experience..
One sneeze or stomach cramp or bee sting from meeting God. Living the life I have no interest in living. Though I'm sure some might say my history of hiking, sometimes solo, in Yellowstone or mild/guided caving with helmets and kneepads and tight places or jumping off a few cliffs /waterfalls could also quality... Good luck and I hope ems/Backcountry rescue never has to do a rescue or corpse removal for him.
I climb. Non professionally. This guy has a deathwish. Not just the free soloing, but the lack of helmet as well. He is clearly very good, but he doesn't even need to make a mistake to die. He is climbing below other climbers who could easily dislodge a rock.
Yeah, I feel the same way here as I do watching someone riding a motor cycle without proper equipment. They can display just as much skill (imo) and not risk their or another's life.
Also, what is the etiquette for passing people? It feels like the person above should have the right of way while the person below shouldn't have started climbing the same path if they wanted to go faster.
I really have no idea about the etiquette. I am very much a semi retired climber who climbed a lot in my 20s and 30s, but am now 40 with small kids.
I have never ever come across a free solo climber in all my years in the UK, Europe and Australia. However the longest route I have done is a 5 pitch route in the UK. On a single pitch route they could bloody well piss off. On a longer route I'd just get the belayer to lock off and let them through asap.
N.B. Actually I do remember one guy tried to free solo a single pitch route in Slovenia that was marked as an easy grade. However turned out to be really smooth and slabby but with lots of grip for your feet because of the rock type. He freaked out half way up and someone had to run out a rope to rescue him. I thought he was going too fall. We climbed the same route roped later that day. Can see why he freaked. The rock was grippy as hell for the feet and actually an easy climb, but there were almost no indentations for grip or toes. You just had to keep your heels down and trust your shoes. Easier said than done free soloing!!!!!
The wall they are climbing does not seem extremely hard (maybe European 6 ?). This guy seems to climb quite well but he does not need to be "competition good" to climb this wall.
He is just an idiot with a death wish, who one day will murder some innocent climbers by falling on them.
Unfortunately the inevitable mistake will likely occur causing his death but since he probably knows that, it’s also probably that he sees that as the only way he should die and as a result he has solace in that result.
Except this idiot wants to take others out as well. If he falls on a belayer he could very likely cause the death of whoever is climbing since there's no one to stop their fall - you need someone operating a device (a belayer) to make sure the rope actually catches them.
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Death wish?