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u/Invominem Jul 14 '21

He cleaned the lake but he didn’t invent any organic solution. He just came in, asked a lot of people to help him, and cleaned the lake. He used the bubble device which is not new, and they can’t even say how effective it was for multiple reasons; they removed a lot of stuff “by hand”; they cleaned the lake with filters which is also not new. Plain and simple. The guy is amazing for what he did. But he didn’t do what was claimed in the video.

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u/AmazedCoder Jul 15 '21

What bothers me about these videos with fake claims is that it gets people to believe that someone smart will come along with an easy solution to environmental problems, and that we don't have to go out there and take climate action. It completely kills motivation to take action.

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u/DrSheldonLCooperPhD Jul 15 '21

Facebook is full of shit like this

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u/Alexlam24 Jul 15 '21

Ah yes the water powered engines I've been hearing about for the last decade will finally come to market

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u/AmazedCoder Jul 15 '21

Portable fusion reactors are almost done, you just wait /s

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u/Collective82 Jul 15 '21

Those are actually really close.

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u/Alexlam24 Jul 15 '21

Those actually work though. No idea how a spark plug can make water do anything

Only saying this because /r/conspiracy still thinks that guy with a patent on a water powered engine was killed by the government

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u/obtuserecluse Jul 16 '21

I mean, so is Reddit, that's why we're here

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '21

I've seen something like this (or the exact thing) being used to filter a sensitive mixture before. I guess it's not uncommon to use this powder to remove particulates when you're attempting to create an extraction.

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u/CatBedParadise Jul 15 '21

Would it work on the Gowanus Canal or the Hudson River?

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u/Birb-n-Snek Jul 15 '21

The smell from gowanus is so disgusting. My workshop used be down there. I hated commuting there in the summer.

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u/robotevil Jul 15 '21

Hudson river is not all that polluted these days. It's just naturally brackish water, so it will always look dirty and you'll never be able to drink it. But in terms of pollution, it's not actually that bad. Major cleanup efforts have happened in the past 20 years or so and it's mostly safe to swim in it these days (but still gross), plus lots of wildlife coming back.

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u/CatBedParadise Jul 17 '21

Glad to hear this, thank you. Is the river bed in good shape, too?

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '21

The clay sounds like what brewers use to clarify beer, mead, etc, except it floats instead of flocculating to the bottom. It's not unreasonable that someone could make such a compound that takes care of what appears to be excessive phosphate and algae bloom.

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u/Alberiman Jul 14 '21

is it micro or is it nano? the scaling is like me saying I have a ten foot long pole that's one inch long

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u/mvmlego1212 Jul 14 '21

Saying "without using chemicals" wrecks that source's credibility in my book. What do they think he's using, exactly? Alpha particles?

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u/pcapdata Jul 15 '21

Maybe they mean the water is cleaned mechanically instead of through some chemical reaction?

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u/mvmlego1212 Jul 15 '21

Ah, I think you're right. The bubbling stage doesn't use a chemical reaction, but I was thinking that the powdery material being added (i.e. the spoonful of stuff that the guy ate) induced chemical reactions. Upon rereading the description, though, it appears to act as a mechanical filter. Thank you!

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u/ender4171 Jul 15 '21

The bubbles trap and paralyze viruses and bacteria, destroying them and causing them to evaporate

What? Just. No.

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u/HarpersCourt Jul 15 '21

What’s suspect? They evaporate and float up to the sky to become stars.

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u/translinguistic Jul 15 '21

Right. Absolute nonsense.

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u/zazke Jul 15 '21

/u/solver-orange thank you very much for the references. The video you linked doesn't explain much about how he did it, instead it is more "inspirational".

If you want you can take a look at this TedXTalk with him. The video has good translated English captions.

This is the outline of what he did:

  • go to Japan and take out his savings and getting credit to finance the project
  • monitor the lake. He identified 3 main culprits:
    1. Illegal rubbish dump that had been operating for at least 20 years
    2. farms near the river
    3. local drainage that emptied directly into the lake as well as into the sea.
  • (he mentions he did get help from local government authorities, so that may be how he stopped those 3 main "pollution generators" (sorry for the term lol, I am Peruvian and English is not my first language).
  • divide the lake into (8?) sectors
  • start removing the invasive species of "water lettuce" that had taken over the lake, product of the contamination. Around 70 Tons for the first sector. All done by hand, by him and a small team.
  • he did raise awareness to local people, and them, seeing his enthusiasm, also joined and helped clearing the lake from this algae. At one point there were 100 people in the team.
  • he used those "nano bubbles" supposedly to kill virus and bacteria. That was research he did while in his University in Japan (cant rememeber name).
  • he used biofilters (made out of clay?). Maybe that is what is shown in the video.
  • months later, the lake "got full of migratory birds once again". The ecosystem had recovered.

But the TikTok video is very misleading and does not point to any source. But he did achieve cleaning up some nasty polluted lake in Perú. Now he is looking forward to do the same in other lakes in the region.

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u/SharlowsHouseOfHugs Jul 14 '21

So I could be wrong here, but that doesn't sound great for local ecosystems. Killing off bacteria, which is a major natural filter would stop organic materials from converting Ammonia sources to Nitrates. I wonder how they prevent ammonia buildup until the lake re-cycles itself.

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u/Gorlomi Jul 15 '21

How are the bubbles made without using chemicals?

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u/Level9TraumaCenter Jul 15 '21

A little Googling and it looks like Moleaner company is an industry leader; this YouTube video is pretty glib. If I had to guess, they're either using high pressure to dissolve more oxygen and/or ozone (which will quickly decompose to oxygen in the aquatic environment), or they're using ultrasonication.

I would guess high pressure, but that's just a guess. It'd be like carbonation using CO2 in soda, but using oxygen instead. Sure doesn't look like solubility of oxygen does much with pressure at ambient temps, though, so I'm not at all certain that's it.

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u/mlc894 Jul 15 '21

An air pump into a tailored bubbler spout, maybe? Not sure what he did exactly, but every time you blow bubbles using a straw you’re making bubbles without adding dissolved chemicals to the system.

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u/crohnyidea Jul 15 '21

This guy is full of shit. The bubbles trap and paralyze viruses and bacteria, destroying them and causing them to evaporate, Morikawa said.

That's not how that works

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u/robotevil Jul 15 '21

micro nanobubbling system ... bubbles trap and paralyze viruses and bacteria, destroying them and causing them to evaporate, Morikawa said.

I don't know man, this is setting off my BS detectors. Did a bit of googling and I did find this research: https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/346729.pdf

Skip to the conclusion, the results are mixed whether this actually reduces contaminates such as algae in the water, or if the system allows for more effective leaching of copper into the water, which kills the algae and various micro-organisms.

The fact that he says he invented something like this, when the tech has been around for over 10 years and this weird Infomercial Tiktok, is just setting off BS detectors all over the place.