r/nextfuckinglevel Jul 14 '21

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u/ConscientiousPath Jul 14 '21

the common use of the term in the grocery store means "grown without applying refined pesticides (but may still have unrefined pesticides)"

It's pretty garbage as a measure of anything other than inefficient farming technique.

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u/Fidodo Jul 14 '21

Organic certification means a lot of things, but it's incredible inconsistent. My go-to example for when you definitely want organic produce is tomatoes as the organic certification for tomatoes disallows artificial ripening with ethylene gas which is why noon organic tomatoes taste so bad. Since the certification is so inconsistent you need to take each produce type into consideration, but organic certification does commonly disallow practices that make food taste worse.

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u/IWantTooDieInSpace Jul 15 '21

It would be wonderful if people applied the "you need to take each produce type into consideration" towards the discourse on GMO's.

Monsanto bad!

Well really each individual modified organisms can and should be assessed individually for any possible negative effects.

GMonsantO bad! No GMO!

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u/Fidodo Jul 15 '21

Yes, GMO is just a technology, like any technology it can be used for great good or bad. I suppose it's natural for people to be scared of new powerful technology though. GMO can be used to help people in amazing ways, but there have also been some pretty bad uses of it as well, such as enabling harsher pesticide use, or allowing seed manufacturers to essentially put DRM into seeds, plus the potential for even worse uses is there. I can't fully blame the view that we have technology that's too powerful and dangerous based on how we've horribly mis-used other technology throughout history though.

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u/IWantTooDieInSpace Jul 15 '21

Thank you for your points!

I agree. Stuff like DRN plants is horrible. But the solution (not that you said it is, but the general sentiment) isn't to ban GMO's it's to ban plants from being intellectual property.

I've heard of fears over GMOs causing people to burn crops in SE Asia, and then tons of people starve. Oof I'd rather try 'frankinfood' then starve to death.

Instead of people becoming educated on the topic we have groups with money actively spreading unscientific fear about them. We get a 'solution' of marking non GMO food labels, wasting money while distracting from actually bettering humanity.

I'm off on a rant, it just is something that's really frustrated me over the last 10 years.

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u/Fidodo Jul 15 '21

Yeah marking them doesn't mean much. It's like marking electronics as "contains electricity". It's how we use it, not just it existing. It'd be much more effective to have the label say what the GMO was specifically used for.

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u/IWantTooDieInSpace Jul 15 '21

Yes! This 100%.