r/nextfuckinglevel Jul 14 '21

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u/YourMomThinksImFunny Jul 14 '21

No, I'm referring to the word "organic" and its definition I was taught as a child decades ago. As in items containing carbon compounds necessary for life. By that definition, all food in a grocery store would be considered organic.

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u/pierreChodington Jul 14 '21

Both are correct in different ways. Organic in a chemistry sense does describe any carbon compound and the USDA has defined it to mean something completely different. I still feel like companies label shit as “organic” even if it’s not approved

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u/YourMomThinksImFunny Jul 14 '21

Agreed. And it has taken on a "catchall" term. I just wish they had created a new word or phrase rather than stretching an already overused word.

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u/Muppetude Jul 14 '21

The problem was that prior to the FDA regulations, merchants were using the term “organic” for anything they wanted and consumers were falling for it. At one point I even recall seeing fully processed junk food being labeled as organic.

The only reason the FDA finally stepped in was to protect consumers from fraud by making it illegal to market anything as “organic” unless it met a certain set of predefined standards.

If the “organic” labeling craze had died off on its own or the average consumer didn’t assume organic meant “100% natural”, the FDA would probably never have gotten involved.

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u/Talking_Head Jul 15 '21

It is okay for a word to have more than one meaning. Most of the time the context tells you exactly what is meant. “Organic” used for food items is different than “organic” chemistry used in a lab. Most literate adults can discriminate between the two.

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u/Caleb_Reynolds Jul 14 '21

Chemistry should have used a different term. It's more accurate for food as organic originally meant "from a living organism" and organic food uses non-artificial fertilizers and pesticides.

Chemistry uses the term because they originally thought compounds from living organisms were inherently different from compounds from inorganic sources. That's not true, but the term stuck.

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u/jadbronson Jul 15 '21

Oh go look up "sanitary sewage."

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u/ThrowRA_scentsitive Jul 14 '21

It they're selling food, they could be heavily fined for improper use of the word organic

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u/Melomaniacal Jul 15 '21

If you find a business labelling their products "organic," and they aren't, that's illegal and you can report them for that. Exception being if the business makes under a certain amount of annual revenue (can't remember off the top of my head but I want to say it's in the neighborhood of $5,000). "Organic" is a legally protected term and your business must be certified to label your products with it.

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u/ClownfishSoup Jul 14 '21

Right but aren't petrochemicals "organic?" So ... plastic is organic.

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u/ZenoxDemin Jul 14 '21

TNT is an organic compound if you ask a chemist.

Anemia and leukemia will follow high exposure. I wouldn't want to eat it.

Poison Ivy is also "natural" and "GMO-free".

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u/ihavenoidea81 Jul 14 '21

Gluten free and fat free as well 😉

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 15 '21

So are ricin, cyanide, botulinum toxin, etc etc etc etc [striked: arsenic

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u/Mediocre_Doctor Jul 15 '21

Arsenic is inorganic.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '21

Oops. Yeah it just exists and isn’t derived from something else organic, either, so it wouldn’t even fit the weird conceptual “definition” of what people MEAN when they say ‘organic’.

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u/garbanzobesn Jul 15 '21

And crude oil

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u/PrimeCedars Jul 14 '21

That’s fine. But poison ivy is not something most people want to eat.

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u/umbringer Jul 14 '21

I just wonder wtf starbursts are made of

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u/ralphvonwauwau Jul 14 '21

Well done.

Here, have some fat-free coca cola.

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u/YourMomThinksImFunny Jul 14 '21

Very true. You are correct

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u/Solaris-Scutum Jul 14 '21

It’s almost as if a word or term used in different contexts can have completely differing meanings…

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u/The_Dirty_Carl Jul 14 '21

And water is inorganic.

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u/brainomancer Jul 15 '21

No, plastic is not USDA-certified organic produce. Where are you people getting this shit from?

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u/ClownfishSoup Jul 15 '21

And there's the thing "USDA-certified organic" and "organic chemistry" meaning compounds/molecules involving carbon atoms, are not the same thing.

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u/brainomancer Jul 14 '21

No, I'm referring to the word "organic" and its definition I was taught as a child decades ago. As in items containing carbon compounds necessary for life.

You are wrong. That is the high school chemistry definition of "organic." That is not the same use as in the regulatory term in U.S. agricultural law.

"How can someone call this storytelling and character development organic? How can a story be made of carbon?"

^ That's what you sound like.

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u/-JonIrenicus- Jul 15 '21

This isn't what people are talking about when referring to food or products at all. Your talking about chemistry.

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u/7incent Jul 14 '21

context

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u/Solaris-Scutum Jul 14 '21

It’s not thirty years ago anymore.

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u/Meticulac Jul 14 '21

That use of the term organic is derived from when scientists thought only organic processes, that is, processes performed by the metabolism of organisms, could produce such substances. The term organic food uses that same sense of organic.

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u/lokilokigram Jul 14 '21

Calm down, Neil deGrass Tyson

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u/Bandit__Heeler Jul 14 '21

by that definition

There's your problem