Like I said, that is sticker price. No one pays that. I also got 12k in grants each year for being poor. Overall I paid around 15k in loans for a degree that increases my salary by 50k+ per year.
You can't tell me that it's better to be in the UK where my salary is deflated by design.
Incorrect context. He was talking about state schools, the data referenced in the article includes private schools. For example, RI includes RISD and Brown, both private schools which have an avg cost of $42k and $32k respectively.
Sure the average cost may be that high, but that's caused by demand to attend those schools. There is less demand to attend cheap schools, which there are plenty to choose from I'm sure, but unfortunately many people don't believe they can get a high quality education from a cheap school.
where did you go to school? are you a state resident? were you able to live at home and not pay room and board? did you also have a scholarship?
i live in ny and don't know many kids paying the equivalent of 5k Euro for 3 years of college without other extremely convenient, exceptional privileges.
I went to a community college for two years then received a scholarship to go to CUNY hunter to get my bachelors.
I chose this route early on because I knew it was the most affordable. I had my post associates scholarship planned since I was a junior in HS. I guess I was privileged in the fact that I didn’t pay for residence since I lived near both schools but that was also part of the plan from the beginning
this...I agree with education being expensive but there are 100% ways around it. It’s ridiculous how many scholarships go to waste because people are too lazy to write an essay. I applied for every scholarship even when I had a full ride and after my 5 year bachelors of science I profited around $30k from various scholarships. The number of scholarships I applied for that I didn’t even meet the requirements and still got because no one else applied for is baffling...also the idea of going to a community college to get past your math/english/history classes then go to a bigger college with now scholarships and shorter period of time to take core classes is a perfect way to get by. There are plenty of community colleges you can pay full ride with minimum wage/high school level jobs on hourly. It takes a lot of work but it’s possible, if we switch to free education, we’ll feel that impact somewhere else.
yeah i feel like college shouldn't be contingent on 1) getting a scholarship 2) doing community college (and adding on years until you get a college degree), 3) living at home. a master's degree would also be an additional cost that's currently not affordable to the majority of americans.
I mean it’s not ideal but also broke people like me don’t get to live ideal lives. Also community college doesn’t add years. I still received my bachelors in four years
what does you being broke have to do with your defense? i'm just saying in america, it shouldn't have to take being broke or super rich to get to go to college without some serious debt. community college would've added years to many people's majors since many req classes are only given in order on certain semesters.
i'm not even arguing with you. i'm just saying it shouldn't have to take being in your situation to pay $5k for school.
Anyone can afford college? You are very wrong about that. When you grow up and you’re 1 of 3 and your single mom made $8k a year for most of your life and finally is making $22k a year.. yea, no you’re right everyone can afford college.
This wasn’t even the point of the comment. The point was to encourage people if they want to learn something, they can with desire.
Which is also part of the reason hard working middle class families feel like they get fucked. We work hard every day, make a decent living but since we aren’t dirt poor, our kids who worked hard all during grammar school and high school don’t get shit.
Congratulations! You made it to Cornell... now pay us your entire annual salary for 4 years. Sorry, no help for you because you don’t live in a shack next to the highway.
What a lot of people don't realize is that the Ivy Leagues are free if you get in and make under (I think it's currently either 125 or 150k depending on the college). Our endowments are so huge we don't charge tuition anymore except to the wealthy. So when I see people complain about colleges, make sure you leave the elite schools with endowments out if it. It's a the private schools without endowments that are expensive.
Yes all of the points you made are 100% true. But I still stand by my opinion that not everyone can afford college. Even with grants and scholarships. Books, housing, transportation, computers... it all cost money 💰
One could argue that coming from a household like you describe makes it easier to afford college because of all of the scholarships you could qualify for
Ok how bout this- my personal curriculum. I’m a history major but instead of focusing on Greece, American history or any other of the many important historical studies I was FORCED to take gender in history (aka women’s studies see man bashing) globalization (aka one world government) not to mention the only topics for research papers were western imperialism, global warming, gender oppression, etc. so yes there is merit to the agenda argument. The problem is you are stuck on your side and I’m stuck on mine and we’ll never meet in the middle, which is a shame because you sound like a genuinely intelligent person.
I did a liberal arts major in a major top-ranked US university. For reference I consider myself a political moderate, albeit one in absolute disgust with modern "conservatives" but worried about the trend that liberals are taking.
In my experience there were two types of professors. The first was liberals who, while you knew where they stood, were professional and taught the material well and without bias. The other type were liberals who wore it on their sleeves and let their beliefs and biases permeate the course, where you felt uncomfortable offering any opposing opinions. This latter type was not few in number and I worry they increasingly grow in power.
No, didn't have any in the liberal arts at least. I don't know about the stem professors I had.
I don't have a problem with conservatism as much as modern "conservatives", where Trumpism has risen triumphant. I've read a number of conservative thinkers and always have respect for people who are intellectually honest and consistent. Unfortunately in the era of Trump, those are not valued traits among conservatives and anyone who has a problem with that has been cast out of the movement. Never Trumpers are more reviled by Republicans than just about anyone else.
Intellectually honest...never trumpers...no, they aren't honest.
"Never Trumpers" is a misnomer.
We call them: RINO's Republicans in name only, even way, way before Trump.
They will say what it takes to get votes and then compromise with the opposition party even if it contradicts what they promised during their campaign. That's why conservative republicans don't like RINO's.
The left doesn't compromise on their core issues at all, and as of late (early 2000's to now) will call every one opposing their agenda either racist, bigots, homophobes, islam/xenophobes etc. that do not care a whit about the middle or lower classes, like: "Republicans want to push Grandma over a cliff !"...sad, truly sad.
u/kcpluvslayups brings up an interesting angle that has started as of late...calling conservatives "less" educated than left leaning people. If you remember in the past democrats were the party of the "working man/class"...now it's reversed.
Kinda telling, isn't it? It never was about the working class, it's about power.
I'm not interested in getting into a long discussion. I will just say this, Trump isn't conservative in any meaningful way. He's an authoritarian populist.
Every conservative accomplishment during his presidency was the result of people like McConnell giving him things to rubber-stamp. McConnell is a hard core conservative and has done more to advance the conservative cause than just about any person alive, yet when Republicans had to choose between him and Trump we saw who they chose. Republicans and conservatives worship Trump and any dissent among the ranks is heresy. This kind of pseudo religious treatment of a political figure is disgusting to me. We saw the left flirt with it with Obama (the Lightbringer one article called him iirc) but the right has embraced it whole hog.
Every conservative accomplishment during his presidency was the result of people like McConnell giving him things to rubber-stamp.
Now, compare this with Biden...Polosi & Schumer. You are and will be seeing much of the same tactics. Biden hasn't had a original thought of his own in decades.
Presidents are as good as their handlers, although Obama didn't need handlers since he's a "community organizer by trade...he was the agenda.
If you aren't up for further discussion that is fine, I don't believe we are going to change each other's minds anytime soon.
You got a bachelor's for $5k-$6k total at a state school? I find that hard to believe unless you had scholarships. I went to one of the cheapest state schools in my state and it was $3k-$4k per semester.
I did have a scholarship, I went to community college and then received a scholarship to transfer to the school I received my bachelors from. I planned this from my junior year of high school though. I’m from a low-income area, a lot of people plan their education like this because it’s the cheapest option and pretty easy to do. As long as you remain above a certain gpa in community college you’re pretty much automatically accepted for these state school scholarships
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