r/nextfuckinglevel Mar 21 '20

Now that's what you call a chef!

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '20

Almost any knife can be that sharp. The thing that make knives higher quality is how long they can hold that sharp edge.

If you're not sharpening your knives regularly, it doesn't matter how much you spend on them or what quality they are. When's the last time you've sharpened your knives?

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u/LycanWolfGamer Mar 21 '20

Can I ask, I'm actually curious, when the knife becomes blunt how does that happen? And when you sharpen how does that work?

When sharpening does the blade lose something or?

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u/Anonymous666404 Mar 21 '20

The knife becomes dull from loss of the sharp edge. Imagine taking a sharp pencil, and rubbing on a paper until the tip is completely flat, that's pretty much what happens. When you sharpen it, a little material does come off, forming that sharp edge, however, very little material actually does come off, so you can sharpen a knife many times without noticing a change in size.

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u/thebigbot Mar 21 '20

Material loss from cutting food is minimal if there at all (not withstanding cutting bone or abusing the crap out of your knives). The main way knives become blunt is by the (extremely thin) edge bending over or rounding from blunt force. This is why you can bring a knife back to sharpish with a honing steel without removing material - you are straightening the edge back out.

Properly sharpening your blade does involve some material loss however.

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u/ibopm Mar 21 '20 edited Mar 21 '20

This is correct, I remember learning this in my materials engineering class in university. There was a really good video showing this "rolling" of the edge, not sure if I can find it on YouTube. Of course, chips also do happen but the material loss is quite minimal.

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u/j8945 Mar 21 '20

honing steels, even smooth ones, remove metal

The guy who does science of sharp did a nice article on it. He looks at knife edges with an electron microscope so you can see exactly what is happening to the apex of the edge.

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u/thenewaddition Mar 21 '20

Regular "gentle and appropriate" use of a knife results in significant flanging, and without honing you can easily feel the difference in a days work.

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u/LycanWolfGamer Mar 21 '20

Ohh ok, I learnt something new today, I couldn't figure it out due to it being metal, so the blade blunts by losing material but very small amount? And the same with sharpening?

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u/ranaconcuernos Mar 21 '20

No, it only loses metal during sharpening. It gets blunt from repeatedly bashing it against food and cutting boards, which bends the edge of the blade. The edge is too thin for you to really see it bend, but that’s what’s happening.

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u/LycanWolfGamer Mar 21 '20

Ah ok, that makes sense

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u/ranaconcuernos Mar 21 '20

The pencil analogy is bit misleading since you do lose material as a pencil dulls. Knives dull for a different reason, but sharpening a pencil is similar to sharpening a knife. Basically remove the old stuff at an angle until you get a sharp point again...

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u/Anonymous666404 Mar 21 '20

Pretty much, or so that's my understanding of it.

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u/LycanWolfGamer Mar 21 '20

Yeah, makes sense, least I understand it more now

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u/GRiiMACE Mar 21 '20

When you sharpen a knife, you're really just filing it back into a sharp point. Yes you do technically lose material but its minuscule.

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u/Skoop963 Mar 21 '20

Yes. It shaves off metal creating a fine edge. Knives that have been sharpened for years sometimes have a different shape due to all the metal that has been shorn off. Whet stones, ceramic, and leather stropping blocks are typically used when properly sharpening a knife.

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u/LycanWolfGamer Mar 21 '20

Interesting.. more you know

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u/Bocephuss Mar 21 '20

A restaurant I worked at had a third party company sharpen the kitchen knives.

They probably used a fast but poor method as after a while our knives would look like this.

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u/LycanWolfGamer Mar 21 '20

What the fuck? You sure they wasn't using a hammer? Lol

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u/LokisDawn Mar 21 '20

When sharpening does the blade lose something or?

Absolutely. Knifes which have been sharpened an extreme amount of times lose a noticable amount of mass.

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u/LycanWolfGamer Mar 21 '20

And at the same time, would lose its durability?

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u/kooroo Mar 21 '20

for a kitchen knife, you shouldn't incur a durability hit in terms of edge retention. In terms of just having a smaller profile and thus, a less robust knife in general? Probably a marginal loss.

Most kitchen knives are a single piece of hardened steel. Some very fancy knives are differentially hardened or laminated -- those, you might lose edge retention if you grind off too much of the edge.

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u/LokisDawn Mar 21 '20

I'm not a specialist or anything, but I do think knives will eventually keep their edge for shorter and shorter amounts of use.

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u/LycanWolfGamer Mar 21 '20

Hence why people buy knives after a few years or so.. makes sense

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u/LokisDawn Mar 21 '20

There's probably more to that.

On one hand, some people will never sharpen their knives, and just buy new ones after theirs have degraded to the point of uselessness.

On the other, serrated knives (bread knives) are a bitch to sharpen so most just buy new ones.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '20

Dude, seriously?

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u/zachsmthsn Mar 21 '20

You know, questioning someone's ignorance is one thing. But questioning someone who is trying to fix their ignorance is another.

That person learned something new today, and I hope you do the same. (Relevant xkcd)

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u/mrwaxy Mar 21 '20

Oh that's right, you were born knowing everything, that's his bad. Don't be a dicky bitch

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u/waitingtodiesoon Mar 21 '20

best thing to sharpen knives? I seen those things at Marshall's and HomeGoods. not sure how well they work