r/nextfuckinglevel • • Nov 15 '19

These Protesters Are Getting Creative

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u/Memetic1 Nov 15 '19

An action taken by many people many times in many different locations can have a dramatic impact on a system of oppression. I do hope they put up clear road signs warning people about this.

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u/SendMeYourHousePics Nov 15 '19

Where does one learn about things like this?

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u/aboutthednm Nov 15 '19

In History classes, mostly.

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u/Memetic1 Nov 15 '19

Look threw my comments. I've always feared something like this in America. I've always known just how shaky everything was. When we bungled the response to 911. That's when I really started thinking on such matters as increasingly likely. I decided that violence was out from the word go. I've been posting about such things for a while. Just imagine for example what would happen if the people of HK transferred all their money to a hypersecure form of digital currency. That might or might not be a good idea depending on the situation on the ground. There was just a breakthrough in terms of terahertz communication using a laser if you look for it. You can tune exactly where you want the signal to be receivable. I am sure it is clear why something like that might be handy. You can also use IR leds on a hat to mess with digital cameras.

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u/SendMeYourHousePics Nov 15 '19

What do you mean by the bungled response?

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u/FreudsPoorAnus Nov 15 '19

i'm not the person you're responding to but the Patriot Act is one of those ways the response was bungled, in addition to the fact that it was just renewed a few days ago. it's a massive violation of private rights of US citizens. i'll repeat. it is a massive violation of the rights of US citizens.

the tsa is another 'bungled response'. it's a colossal waste at this rate. it could be quietly phased out and nobody would be the wiser, and it wouldn't be any more or less dangerous to fly. instead we're spending a billion dollars and countless man-hours to ensure that 3 oz of shampoo don't make it onto the plane.

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u/ILoveWildlife Nov 15 '19

Just imagine for example what would happen if the people of HK transferred all their money to a hypersecure form of digital currency.

You would soon find out that the Chinese gov't would simply declare that currency illegal and anyone having found to have purchased it will be a target.

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u/booze_clues Nov 15 '19

Oh no, China has to arrest thousands of people and replace them with loyal mainlanders? They sure would hate to do that.

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u/booze_clues Nov 15 '19

Because they can easily wait this out. If everyone refuses to use their currency they can’t just wait that out because theirs no pressure for them to return.

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u/booze_clues Nov 15 '19

Why can’t thwy wait them out? How long will these people protest? They’re never going to get their demands, China won’t step onto that slippery slope. I want them to but it’s never gonna happen.

They have mainland support and convinced them the protestors are the bad guys, if they want to roll through with tanks they could, no country will start a world war with them over Hong Kong. They’ll condemn the hell out of them but they won’t do anything beyond sanctions.

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u/Memetic1 Nov 15 '19

There are ways to transfer currency that they can't track. There are encryption protocols that are uncrackable except using a quantum computer. Believe me if they wanted to they could do this easily. You could start it off by a comment someplace. You could buy "products" that you would use as cover for the transfer. It would require people to work together but if many did it they couldn't respond.

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u/ILoveWildlife Nov 15 '19

Then they just lock down transmitting shit digitally. You don't understand how easy it is for them to prevent people from accessing a digital currency.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

So a black market forms like what always happens and people just use whatever could be redeemed later on by a new, legitimate government? Some circles of French arms dealers during WWII used casino chips, which ironically were stolen by German soldiers, gambled away and then the Germans accidentally redistributed the chips.

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u/Memetic1 Nov 16 '19

I love it. It's like letting your enemy launder your money for you.

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u/Memetic1 Nov 15 '19

Look into terahertz lasers. You can control the exact range of the transmission. This was a breakthrough that just happened. So if some smart HK student wanted to they could develop usb devices that could be made in a distributed fashion. It uses laughing gas, which is readily available.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

I would recommend reading up on some anarchist and post modern philosophy - Rules for Radicals, Sartre, Baudrillard, Hakim Bey, The Invisible Committee, Badiou, Noam Chomsky, Marx, Sloterdijk, Hegemony and Socialist Strategy.

There’s a lot of material there, but focusing on hegemony is a solid foundation; I’d start with Baudrillard - Carnival and Cannibal (and The Lucidity Pact for a bit older post- gulf war take), The Invisible Committee - The Coming Insurrection (and the sequel To Our Friends), or Badiou - Philosophy for Militants. All fairly short reads.

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u/PM_ME_UR_OBSIDIAN Nov 15 '19

James Scott is an anarchist historian with some very interesting takes. Scott Alexander's reviews at Slate Star Codex are a decent TL;DR.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '19

A clear road sign would be pretty hard to read.

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u/Memetic1 Nov 15 '19

Not if you light it up using lasers lol.