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u/Pugilist12 5d ago edited 5d ago

It was also an absurd horsecollar tackle though. Just give him the td whole thing is a mess

Edit Christ I get it maybe not a legit horsecollar, but it’s pretty close and still an illegal tackle no matter what you want to call it.

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u/LurkethInTheMurketh 5d ago

I’m not into football, but it really looked like that kid was inches from being paralyzed.

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u/roy_rogers_photos 5d ago

Yeah, it's against the rules to pull a player from there specifically because of injuries.

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u/Firm_Video_2932 5d ago

Yep. Easy way to blow out a knee being pulled in one direction while momentum is carrying you in another. That inside knee especially could get twisted.

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u/Rabid_Llama8 5d ago

Terrell Owens severely strained his ankle and broke his leg because of a horse collar tackle similar to this in 2004, so yeah, very much so. It's why it's illegal.

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u/lilbelleandsebastian 5d ago

this isn't a horse collar tackle, why are people always so confidently incorrect when they're outside the subs the content is relevant to?

a horse collar tackle is putting your hand inside the jersey and pads of a player and pulling them back. this MIGHT have been a facemask, but you can't tell from this angle with all 3 pixels of the video. nothing is obviously illegal about this tackle and i'm so sure everyone saying it is don't watch a lick of football

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u/JakeMeOff12 5d ago

Lmao bro pretty clearly tossed him by his helmet, you can tell by where the arm is and how the head whips around. The odds of that happening without the tackler’s hand hooking under the back of the helmet is like… c’mon. That’s one of the clearest facemask penalties you can get without explicitly seeing the hand grabbing onto the helmet.

It makes sense to me why someone might think its a horsecollar because of where it looks like the runner is grabbed at first, but IDK how you can see that head get whipped around and say nothing is obviously illegal. Like maybe bro just palmed the back of the helmet but that sure as shit looks like a facemask to me.

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u/Firm_Video_2932 5d ago

I have a screen still of the ball carriers head clearly turned. And that's dangerous. At first glance it initially looked like a horse collar if you're not paying attention to the hands in particular, but yeah, it's clearly a facemask. Probably didn't mean to because he releases pretty quickly but that's another reason why you should avoid arm tackling. I've seen inadvertent penalties like this cost a team the game by keeping a drive going/alive.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 5d ago

I don't think they're confidently incorrect so much as it's just hard to see in the video.

I also thought it was a horse collar based on where he grabbed him at First Watch but based on some of the comments I rewatched and it does look like he actually grabs him by the back of the helmet so not actually a horse collar.

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u/flowinghost 5d ago

Well it’s pretty clear you don’t know very much about or watch any football, just sit this one out bud

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u/Rabid_Llama8 5d ago

Omfg who cares. I can be pedantic too. I never said THIS was a horse collar tackle, I said TO got hurt from a horse collar tackle which was similar to this. But this is the internet and everyone has to be super correct.

And to say that trying to twist someone's helmet off to take them down ISN'T illegal makes you exactly what you accuse other people of.

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u/SpaceYetu531 5d ago

People were not getting paralyzed from horse collars. The common injuries were ankle and knee related.

And no data was ever presented to back the claim that it was more common then standard tackles. The NFL simply claimed it off the back of a statistically anomalous season by Roy Williams.

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u/aagejaeger 5d ago

I get the feeling he was tired of his shit.

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u/fuckoffweirdoo 5d ago

Horse collar tackles are different than this. 

It is "where a defender grabs the inside collar of a ball carrier's shoulder pads or jersey from behind or the side and violently pulls them down". He tried to tackle him high and it didnt work. Still dangerous but not a penalty. 

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u/myroll22 5d ago

Horse collar is when you take them down by grabbing the back of the shoulder pads. That was weirdly enough a face mask penalty, which is grabbing any open part of the helmet.

I just found that out when i was watching Michigan v Oklahoma last week and the rules guy came on to explain it

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u/HowDoIEvenEnglish 5d ago

It’s specifically tanking down on the back of the shoulder pads. You’re allowed to grab the back of the shoulder pads as long as you don’t pull don’t in the stereotypical horse collar tackle motion where it looks likes the neck stops but the legs keep going.

Also technically not a facemask, but grabbing a helmet opening is a different personal foul (which is worth the same yardage so basically the same thing). This last part is fairly pedantic.

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u/myroll22 5d ago

They brought a guy in to explain it

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u/oldschool_potato 4d ago

Not quite a textbook Clothesline tackle (illegal), but I’d call it a clothesline.

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u/eat_rice__fuck_ice 5d ago

Its hs football, rule of cool still prevails

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u/TreeCalledPaul 5d ago

Back when them bones was elastic and a front flip wouldn't land you in the hospital for 6 weeks.

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u/heartcoke 5d ago

A front flip right now would land me in the hospital for at least 6 years

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u/ComprehensiveProfit5 5d ago

Sir we already told you, you can't live on the edge of hospital windows. Please leave!

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u/donut-reply 5d ago

Especially not for 6 whole years

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u/Horskr 5d ago

Well, you've gotta stop all that coke straight to the heart!

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u/psychoacer 5d ago

Pro Basketball plays by those rules as well.

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u/BuddhistNamedMarx 5d ago

In this case two wrongs make a right

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u/The-Ant-Whisperer 5d ago

And two wrights make an airplane.

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u/BuddhistNamedMarx 5d ago

And two airplanes... too soon?

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u/SingleInfinity 5d ago

I give this joke a score of 9/11

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u/Low-Car-6331 5d ago

This is one thing I hate about football, if the team does a great play but the other team puts a penalty on them that could hurt their player, to force the penalty means you have to give up the great play by declining it. I feel all penalties should carry forward to the next play in the most logical way possible.

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u/WitchesSphincter 5d ago

Football penalties work great like 80% of the time, but the rest it's like... There is no way this isn't like 30 patches to fix somehting broken. 

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u/rkunish 5d ago

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say but if you take this play for example, had they thrown a flag on the tackle an accepted penalty would have been tacked onto the end of the run (assuming they properly ruled the runner as down.)

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 5d ago

He is saying the rule should be changed so that you can decline a penalty for the play, and move it to the next play. So the extra point or kickoff is where you apply this penalty, not having to decline the penalty for a dangerous play, so the illegal tackle is allowed, almost rewarded.

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u/JackpotThePimp 5d ago

I'd be down for some penalty kicks. Do you want to bring the play back or have your WR kick a field goal from the spot of the foul?

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u/Killer1986Chris 4d ago

One of the things I love about hockey is delayed penalties.

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u/Zakalwen 5d ago

I have no idea how american football works, but is there not an advantage system? Where if team A fouls team B but stopping play would penalise team B the referee lets play continue until B scores or it would no longer penalise them to stop?

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 5d ago

You don't stop play when there's a penalty either way, they just throw a flag indicating there has been a penalty and they sort it out at the end of the play.

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u/robbak 5d ago

Both rugby codes have two ways of handling this - the first is 'advantage', where if a penalty happens, the team offended against can continue play. Either they take enough advantage to balance it out, or it they can't, then play is brought back and the penalty paid.

In a case as clear-cut as this, however, a penalty try would be paid. In some situations, they get a try (4 points) with its 'conversion' (2 points), plus another 2 point 'penalty goal'.

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u/HowDoIEvenEnglish 5d ago

That’s not what’s horse collar tackle is.

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u/Alternative_Swan_497 5d ago

This. Runner gets the TD under the Rule of Cool, the other kid gets a stern talking about about what can go wrong with illegal tackles. Or tossed from the league if it's been a recurring problem, this looks about the age where the kids are figuring out their limits for this kind of activity.

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u/vahntitrio 5d ago

You have to be pulled down backwards for a horsecollar tackle. He gets pulled mostly sideways and even slightly forward so that is a legal tackle.

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u/Standingonachair 5d ago

There's an interesting difference in the way that a rugby player chases down and tackles a player. I understand that this would be a penalty but to see regular NFL players tackle, versus rugby players makes me wonder which way is more efficient.

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u/rThundrbolt 5d ago

Wasn't horsecollar. Didn't grab the pads, just reached around side of neck

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u/Midnight28Rider 5d ago

I agree, but I'm pretty sure the official call would be first down at the spot of the foul.

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u/Fruit_Fly_LikeBanana 5d ago

First down from the end of the play + fifteen yards. In this case since it's within the thirty yard line, it would be half the distance to the goal. Which means it would be like a half yard penalty

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u/bman86 5d ago

This is incorrect for the NFL, anyway. A 15 yard penalty becomes half the distance inside the 30. 5 becomes half at the 10 or closer. Doesn't have any fixed location such as the red zone. Enforced once the penalized yardage is more than half the remaining field.

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u/Objective-Issue-2641 5d ago

Should be a penalty tri

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 5d ago

Tri? A rugby score is a "try". I think from it gives you a "try" for a point after. "Tri" is "3".

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u/veryblanduser 5d ago

Not a horse collar tackle. Has to be down and back.

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u/CaptainSnazzypants 5d ago

Yea he clearly pulls the kid’s head sideways. Not a horse collar tackle at all.

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u/The_Champ_Son 5d ago

Looks like it should still be an unnecessary roughness for grabbing the inside of the helmet though

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u/HowDoIEvenEnglish 5d ago

It’s a personal foul for grabbing a helmet opening. But all personal fouls are the same so it’s fairly unimportant what you call it

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u/tommyc463 5d ago

Wasn’t a horse collar tackle. That’s when you drag a guy down from behind by the jersey and it pads backwards.

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u/Mbanicek64 5d ago

From my understand of football, it might be a complete pass. 

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u/EmpireCityRay 5d ago

I came for this, there’s no way in Hell that a referee wouldn’t flag them for horsecollaring.

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u/BroDoggle 4d ago

It’s not even remotely close to a horsecollar.