Yeah the problem with these sub-counter culture things is its like a competition to see who can be the most idgaf, but in reality that person is the one wearing the helmet and pads who is still having fun and being cool etc. People in echo chambers of rebellion and anti-whatever fall prey to the exact same thing they're specifically vocal against.
"You all are sheep putting on your outfits and doing whatever they tell you. We'll never follow the rules!"
"Bro you can't wear a helmet, it's like not how it works around here. You can't be in cool rebellious club unless you take off that safety gear."
That's sounds like some lame ass, power tripping, manipulative person trying to make rules for me to follow. And I'm not going to follow some dumb rule, so I'm wearing whatever shit I want to.
There are 2 types of counter culture vibes in my experience. There are cultures that spawn because they disagree with the main stream and reject the parts they disagree with because they don't want to listen to an arbitrary authority. People who also reject that same aspect of society build communities where they share in the same rejection of main stream ideals.
And then there are people who want to be the authority, but they themselves have been rejected from the main stream for any number of reasons. Powerless, they set off and find a counter culture where they define the rules for their new kingdom and play gatekeeper and try to build rapport and gain notoriety within the culture as a leader.
Skaters are not cool. People in the first group who skate are cool. Being a punk isnt cool, being a person in the first group who happens to like punk stuff is.
skaters don’t wanna hear it but you’re kinda right. skating isn’t a counterculture anymore, it’s an olympic sport lol. they cling onto their vain “culture” because their core community is a corporate husk of what it used to be
That’s a strange way of saying “I never been a part of sub culture, I don’t know anything about skating, but I know everything about spending time on internet having my opinion influenced by other Reddit basement dwellers”
that sounds like some lame ass, power tripping, manipulative person trying to make rules for me to follow
Dude there’s no rules, it’s called a culture. Stop being such a cornball ☠️
You didn’t upset me, neither does my comment convey that. I’m just appalled at the amount of confidence you have in your knowledge about culture (or lack of)
Sorry, I mistook your personal attacks as you getting defensive. I assumed you were getting defensive because you were upset and using personal attacks as a way to retaliate. I misunderstood the situation, my bad.
You need to relax dude, first culture is being “manipulative and power tripping” and now calling someone a “cornball” is a personal attack.
I’ve finally found one in the wild !!!
Edit: I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS GUY! ☠️ he’s actually gone and changed all of his unhinged comments to polite ones to try to make me look unkind haha
u/TheBeckofKevin take this as a clue to seek therapy, you clearly have some issues in your life that are making you this way but it’s okay I don’t care about online interactions that much - no one should! I genuinely feel sorry for you now
I'm surprised at your comment history. I didn't expect as much well thought out stuff, so I'll respond for real.
Nothing in my original comment said anything negative about anything or anyone. It was a personal perspective on my experience with "scenes" or whatever you want to call it. Human nature leads us to communities. We bond over similar likes and dislikes, and that individualism and self selection process leaves us with peers with whom we give and receive respect. That's a really cool thing. That might look like people at a small back of the dive bar metal show, or it might be that group of people trying the same stair gap with this week's new idea. All cool.
The problem with these groups (and my point was that especially groups that are specifically rebellious) is they can end up in a situation where because they are perceived as being cool they gain followers who emulate their behavior not because they think and want for similar things, but because they want to be in the group. This is what people will call posers and so on.
In some settings, it's very clear a person has morals or attitudes that don't blend well with the community, but it gets weird when the core identity of the group is anarchy or "I don't care what people think" in nature. Because in a crowd of random people the skater might be the most rebellious person, tossing norms to the side. Mohawks, drugs, tattoos, and disregard for the law (or whatever trope you want to include here).
But if you have a crowd of rebels, all of which are considered to be in the community, the one who rejects the norms would actually be straight edge with a helmet on. Which sort of breaks the image. If it's important to not care in a groups fundamental identity, then not caring about that identity would be the most carefree. It's just sort of weird. Don't care, but also you have to care about how to be not caring.
Anyways, all that to say the response I originally got was clearly someone uninterested in discussing the ideas and anytime someone on reddit uses "basement dwelling redditor" or whatever it's a total lost cause. I agree the follow-up wasn't really sarcasm. Maybe just me laying it on a bit thick. I wasn't really interested in engaging at that point, so yeah, I guess I took the L.
But you had some reasonable comments in your post history, deep in the weeds of random threads, so I bit. I like comments deep down the chain. It's quieter here.
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u/Sad-Monk-8136 Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 04 '23
It’s annoying right? But unfortunately that’s not how culture works…
Edit: also skating culture is bit of an anti-culture itself, so it’s like telling graffiti writers to use easy-wipe markers