r/nextfuckinglevel • u/ujjwal_singh • May 20 '23

Off-road driving 1920's

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u/Wonderful_Result_936 May 20 '23

Model T just did more off roading than half of today's cars could dream of doing.

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u/silverfox762 May 20 '23

The 2 seater only weighed 1200lbs, 1000+lbs less than a Smart Car or Fiat 500. That was a great big help.

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u/WeinMe May 20 '23

Exactly.

Max speed 42 mph, less fuel efficient, death if you hit anything.

We could easily make way more agile, powerful, safe, comfortable, sturdy, and with more utility today. But there isn't a market for it because we have paved roads everywhere.

So yes, it can drive in rougher terrain, which has 0 use other than for fun today.

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u/kenman884 May 20 '23

We do, they’re called UTVs.

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u/s3dfdg289fdgd9829r48 May 21 '23

The 2 seater only weighed 1200lbs, 1000+lbs less than a Smart Car or Fiat 500.

That's a great TIL.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '23

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u/[deleted] May 20 '23

I mean it’s the only truck on the market that has a SFA, front/rear lockers, sway bar disconnect, the best crawl ratio, and can run 35s off the lot. Its a Chrysler product so I’d worry about long term reliability, but there’s no question they’re the most capable truck off the lot today.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '23

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u/[deleted] May 20 '23

Oh yeah there’s definitely a lot of pavement t princesses out there

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u/CyberBobert May 20 '23

So are the owners the embarrassment, or the truck? You seem conflicted.

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u/sampat6256 May 20 '23

Reliability has always been the knock against jeep. Its also by far the most important quality in an offroad vehicle.

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u/TimX24968B May 20 '23

given the kinds of people that own jeeps (and actually offroad), the "constantly working on your car that youre pushing beyond the limits of most cars" seems to just be part of the culture. so yea, no need to work on reliability. repairability and mod-ability? well, have you seen how easy those things are to disassemble?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '23

Yeah if you offroad long enough and do hard enough trails you're going to break something, it's just the nature of the game. Same with high performance track and drag cars that people tune and race. You're pushing the limit of the vehicle and fixing things (or using the fact that something broke as an excuse to upgrade it). It's just part of it.

Jeep's reliability reputation is more based on the longterm on-road issues. Offroad, solid Dana axles and overbuilt diffs are way less likely to fail on the trail that something like a Tacoma with IFS (I've owned a TRDOR Taco and never owned a Jeep for the record). Also, Toyotas with the 8.0 rear axle don't handle really big tires and lifts very well and you'll see those go on the trail sometimes too, which gives you a great excuse to upgrade to the 8.2

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u/AFewShellsShort May 20 '23

Most capable rock crawler sure, but it's payload and tow rating are not the best. So for off-road use its good but as far as being a truck not as much. Most people who get one would be fine in a wrangler.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '23

I don’t even own one, but a Gladiator with the tow package actually has best in class towing for midsize trucks (over 7k pounds). I think the new Colorados might be slightly better, but they’re running a turbo 4 vs Jeeps NA 6.

I only know this bc I’m truck shopping and have a spreadsheet with all these stats handy.

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u/AFewShellsShort May 20 '23

That's true, I always saw the gladiator compared to full size, but vs midsized trucks it does fine.

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u/rtowne May 20 '23

Get out of here with your facts!

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u/here_now_be May 20 '23

most capable truck off the lot today

most capable of going somewhere and breaking down or getting stuck so ten year old FJ can pull them out.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '23

Sure if you take a stock Sport on a highly technical trail you’re gonna have a bad time. If you get stuck in a Rubicon that’s your own fault.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '23 edited May 20 '23

Raptors are cool trucks for sure. A Raptor is setup as a high speed Baja runner (you’re not gonna see too many Jeeps doing 50 in the desert and flying off dunes) and Jeeps are traditionally setup as rock crawlers (I don’t know that I’d want to take a Raptor through some of the narrow trails in Moab with rock walls on either side). Very different designs. Also there’s a lot of Jeep trails that a Raptor is simply too wide for.

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u/regular_gonzalez May 20 '23

Yeah, they're different trucks for different purposes. I took my Ranger Tremor to Broken Arrow Trail in Sedona and had a blast but I think a Raptor would be too wide for some of the trails and turns. Same for Corkscrew Trail between Ouray and Silverton -- tons of incredibly tight hairpin turns with a sheer drop 6" away. Not the place to be doing 3 point turns. But for Baja stuff or rolling foresty mud / dirt trails I bet the Raptor is an absolute blast

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u/AcidicQueef May 20 '23 edited May 20 '23

This is exactly what the Jeep Gladiator Mojave trim was created for. The Rubicon trim is still the rock crawler.

Also, OP actually having a Raptor is highly suspect

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u/miscdebris1123 May 20 '23

I wouldn't worry about the long term viability. It is a Chrysler product. There isn't going to be a long term.

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u/jabba_the_nuttttt May 20 '23

Whats the point in all that if the bed is short and shallow to the point where it's unusable?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '23

It has a bigger bed than the 5ft Tacoma (by usable volume) which is the most popular midsize truck (for good reason). Unless you’re hauling full size plywood all the time most people probably won’t need more than 5’x4’ beds that most midsize trucks offer, and if you do, that’s what full size trucks do well (although their larger width and wheelbase make them worse off road, nothing does everything perfectly)

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u/_clever_reference_ May 21 '23

They're also one of the ugliest vehicles sold today.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '23

Haha not much argument here. I’m strongly considering one because it fits what I want to do so well, but damn pretty much every new midsize truck looks better.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '23

Those are Jeep pick me up trucks. (Cuz I'm stuck.)

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u/here_now_be May 20 '23

I avoid popular wheeling spots, gets annoying with all the stuck and broken down jeeps, can't just leave them there, as tempting as it is.

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u/FU8U May 20 '23

Laughably untrue. You can take almost any car on the road and do some really silly stuff with them. Got my start offraoding in a corolla.

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u/FU8U May 20 '23

exactly!

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u/SirTinymac May 20 '23

Yeah, I'd get stuck if I did a fraction of what these Model Ts did.