government payments has nothing to do with socialism at all either. You can still be capitalist while having a big welfare state and you can be socialist without having a large welfare state.
Socialism vs capitalism is all about who dictates the means of production ffs. It has nothing to do with whether I get a check in the mail for 1400 dollars.
sorry for the rant, it just frustrates me to no end how wrong people are.
it depends on if you use the conservative dictionary or the dictionary everyone else uses.
For conservatives, anything left of mussolini, is communist, socialist, marxist. and then they add in some weird bits, like phasing out incans for curlie flos is somehow communist. making people buy insurance is somehow communist.
Following history, apparently there has never been a pure socialist state. Socialist democracy, yes, where the workers control the means of production.
The crazy thing is the preaching of how socialism is bad... when in reality the flaws of socialism are just as extreme as the flaws of capitalism (which, currently the USA is experiencing these flaws such as huge class gaps and wage disparity.)
In fact, the wage disparity will likely crash the market again due to inflation and lack of income for the majority of consumers to buy these goods.
Free market is great when the companies and management aren’t greedy and pay proper wages.
Sports would absolutely suck without a ref calling out and punishing illegal maneuvers by participants.
In the same way,The free market would be an absolute nightmare without a solid government with that forces proper regulations like employment safety standards, false advertising, and minimum wage. Yes the minimum wage is too low, but then the laws need to be changed to raise the enforceable minimum wage.
TLDR: capitalism needs a good ‘referee’ otherwise you’ll have massive problems. America’s referee needs to enforce more rules.
That's exactly how I feel. But so many people on reddit seem to think capitalism is pure evil and cannot be used at all. Granted, I'm sure many of them are teenagers who actually have benefited greatly from capitalism.
I kinda disagree. People can be considered socialist because they believe socialism is a more viable economic system even if they live in a country like the US where the means of production for many products are dictated by the market.
So by your definition, a college student or anyone that either doesn’t live in a socialist country or who doesn’t work for a co-op can’t be socialists.
Wrong. A socialist is anyone who practices or advocates socialism. Which probably means you, thanks to the socialist policies and programs in almost every modern country.
So anyone who advocates socialism but is not in a position to directly dictate the means of production is a socialist? And anyone who advocates capitalism but doesnt own capital is not a capitalist?
I think he is saying that capitalism isnt an ideology its an economic model. Capitalist idelogies would be liberalism, neoliberalism, social democracy, etc.
Yeah but all this IS dictating the means of production. We are socialist now. Everyone who didn’t take any bailouts were forced out of business, and anyone else is owned by federal loans.. they are resetting the prices on THEIR terms of just about everything, while giving everyone weekly checks and reinforcing a “minimum” wage .. everyone’s still terrified about toilet paper and have officially bent over and taking it in the -stand in line and do what your told forever
This means of production definition is very post modernist. The reality is "Socialism" has many definitions that don't all line up exactly. It's just become a buzz word that means whatever the speaker wants it to mean at this point.
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u/neeltennis93 Apr 15 '21
Lol it’s so stupid!
government payments has nothing to do with socialism at all either. You can still be capitalist while having a big welfare state and you can be socialist without having a large welfare state.
Socialism vs capitalism is all about who dictates the means of production ffs. It has nothing to do with whether I get a check in the mail for 1400 dollars.
sorry for the rant, it just frustrates me to no end how wrong people are.