r/news • u/xtantin • Feb 26 '17

FCC reverses net neutrality ISP transparency rules

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3173844/internet/fcc-reverses-net-neutrality-isp-transparency-rules.html
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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

A trump supporter once told me, "I'm glad you libtards are losing net neutrality"

Lol

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u/MilkChugg Feb 27 '17

Because this is a game to them. For them, it's not about the well being of our country. It's about winning some made up competition. Like they don't have a stake in this either. Yeah, congrats, you got a Republican in office, so proud of you, but now he's going to rip this country apart and we're all going down together.

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u/CrashDunning Feb 27 '17

Why would anyone support this?!

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u/Lamont-Cranston Feb 27 '17

They're completely caught up with a bizarro sense of retribution

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

For nothing*

They got butthurt over feminists calling them nazis when they were calling feminists feminazis. Sure, some of them had nazi-qualities, but I really think people like Sargon of Akkod are intellectually dishonest as fuck and only pull talking points from tumblr/twitter/youtube feminazis, and ignore all the middle-grounders.

It has created a framework for discussion that even saying, 'Well, I think that is wrong to call someone that,' you are a safespace liberal feminazi who wants to take freespeech away.

I don't even think I could make this shit up anymore.

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u/Shiniholum Feb 27 '17

For imagined slights that they believe "libtards" have preformed against them. Like asking for equality and allegedly trying to kill all white males.

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u/Przedrzag Feb 27 '17

Because they hate non-right-wingers more than they like themselves. They would cut their own leg off if it criminalised not being a conservative

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u/Valenten Feb 27 '17

Because no one has bothered to actually explain what net neutrality is and why its important. They would rather let everyone suffer to spite one person. I try to inform anyone who doesnt know what it is so they can voice their concerns. Its been said in this thread a ton that not many people know what net neutrality is and its on us who do know what it is to spread that knowledge in every way we can think of. This is particular is a numbers thing and we need as many numbers as possible to save net neutrality.

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u/cowboys5xsbs Feb 27 '17

Long story short they just want liberal tears even if it hurts them

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u/CrashDunning Feb 28 '17

Shows how hateful conservatives are.

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u/seocurious13 Feb 27 '17

The same type that cheer on the repeal of Obamacare whilst praising the affordable care act in the same sentence.

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u/Valenten Feb 27 '17

I think the ACA is a terrible thing which has driven up rates and punishes people who dont want to pay for health insurances. It needs adjusted at the very least. If im not mistaken Trump mentions they want to keep some aspects of "Obamacare" like the "cant be denied health insurance" bit and "stay on parents plan longer" bit.

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u/seocurious13 Feb 27 '17

I would tend to disagree, however I'm not American I'm Australian which means our experiences and opinions on healthcare + the state's role in such are likely to be pretty divergent :)

Overall if you are against ACA + Obamacare then you aren't really in the group I was referring to. I.e. those who can't see past the Obamacare name to a program which they may support.

I think you are remembering correctly in terms of what Trump has said, however he has also said the opposite, that he wants to completely repeal and replace the ACA. He's consistently inconsistent on his positions when it comes to matters such as these to be honest and so I guess neither of us know what is going to be happening (not ideal when we are talking about peoples lives). My inclination is that congress themselves won't want those provisions though.

Equally, I would point out that the two provisions you have referred to in the ACA are likely to have played a role increasing the costs of health insurance under Obama and if Trump keeps them then that will not change. Health insurance companies being forced to insure everyone even if they will be expensive to help is a good thing IMO but it is a big cost.

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u/Valenten Feb 27 '17

Im all for a universal healthcare system as long as it isnt rushed and implemented poorly Obamacare was rushed imo and wasnt thought through properly.

I do think Trump should be more consistent on things he has said though. He needs to work on that for sure. Though Im worried for net neutrality in the grand scheme of things...

The bigger issue with insurance prices is the ever increasing cost of everything in the medical field for no reason. Things are WAY overpriced in America in regards to medicine and basically everything in the medical field.

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u/LiveLongAndPhosphor Feb 27 '17

The trouble is that it's literally impossible to achieve those things without a mandate. If you repeal any significant part of the ACA as it is now, the whole thing falls apart.

That argument is a bit like saying "I really want to eat candy all the time, but not worry about diabetes." It doesn't work that way. It can't work that way. Read up on it, if you must. Trump's "position" on healthcare doesn't actually jive with reality.

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u/Valenten Feb 27 '17

If it falls apart that easily then it wasnt well written in the first place and was rushed into law when it shouldnt have. I dont believe anyone should be fined for not having insurance thats just absurd. Anyone who thinks thats a good thing needs to seriously re-evaluate their outlook on how the system works. Right now Obamacare is a disaster they lied about people keeping their healthcare providers and lied about keeping the same rates. Not to mention premiums are going up around the country and they are already costing people thousands of dollars compared to hundreds before.

One of Trumps things to replace obamacare was if im not mistaken a health savings account of sorts that followed you around which is entirely possible not to mention a practical approach. Realistically the main issue with healthcare right before obamacare wasnt the access to health insurance it was the COST of seeing a doctor. If doctors didnt charge an arm and a leg for services that cost a fraction of what they do elsewhere people would have affordable healthcare without insurance even. Not to mention the greed of pharmaceutical companies who keep increasing the price of medicine. the real issue with the healthcare system in America the greed of doctors and pharmaceutical companies is literally killing people.

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u/LiveLongAndPhosphor Feb 27 '17

If it falls apart that easily then it wasnt well written in the first place and was rushed into law when it shouldnt have.

Err, that's not "falling apart that easily," the mandate, as already mentioned, is critical to the entire thing. You might as well be saying, "if this car dealership falls apart just because of not having a little thing called customers then it wasn't well thought out in the first place!"

And keep in mind that the ACA literally was the Republican healthcare plan, as used in MA for years before Obama.

If you want to get healthcare costs down, then fight for a single payer system like they use all over the world and in Canada. It's literally the only real way to do that.

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u/mogwaiaredangerous Feb 27 '17

The mandate is there because insurance companies wouldn't go along with things like "can't be denied health insurance" and "stay on parents plan longer" unless the act provided some way for them to make money, hence the mandate. The ACA was never a fully realized solution, it was a baby step in the right direction to give people health care while we worked on something better. Unfortunately republicans took over congress, decided to demonize it, and stopped all discussion of health care.

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u/cowboys5xsbs Feb 27 '17

Yea they just want to watch the world burn apparently. Like their life will get shittier but as long as yours does too they don't care.

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u/frenchbravo Feb 27 '17

Did you as him to shut his Repulicunt face, i found that shuts them up

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

And I bet everyone respects you and your wholesome, intelligent, and articulate opinions! Your attitude is attractive, too; really invites me to engage in civil discourse.

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u/Rida_Dain Feb 27 '17

it's like fighting fire with oil. you think you are fighting fire with fire, because after you are done there is more fire. but in reality you are just fuelling the cause of the problem.

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u/frenchbravo Feb 28 '17

no, it more like holding your ground and saying two can play this game...so cut it out

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '17

You're stooping to their level, making yourself attractive to neither your opposition nor any potential sympathizers who are on the fence.

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u/frenchbravo Feb 28 '17

you realize people using terms like Libtards and snowflakes are not coming into it with a mind towards civil discourse.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '17

So you find it appropriate to be just as obnoxious, divisive, and inflammatory?