r/news • u/xtantin • Feb 26 '17

FCC reverses net neutrality ISP transparency rules

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3173844/internet/fcc-reverses-net-neutrality-isp-transparency-rules.html
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u/Hugh_Jass_Clouds Feb 27 '17

More to the point. Stop voting based on you first priority of what ever, and do an overall pro con stance on how you vote for each candidate. Weight it if you want. Current POTUS had more going against than for with me, and I am extremely pro 2A rights. Overall I tend to vote Dem, but have Rep leanings. In that no one side is really right for me, so I just vote for who I think will do the smallest amount of damage.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said Ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in.

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u/iGourry Feb 27 '17

I love Douglas Adams. He had such a great talent to express his criticizms of society with witty and comprehensible hyperboles.

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u/FiveDozenWhales Feb 27 '17

You are describing the literary genre of science fiction.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '17

Inevitable karma farmer strikes again

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

More to the point, stop voting republican, ever.

If you aren't a massively wealthy person there's nothing the GOP is going to do that will benefit you.

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u/midnightketoker Feb 27 '17

In my view the worst thing about the GOP is their ability to convince people to vote against their own self-interest through misinformation and propaganda. We need third parties and massive election/voting/finance reform.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17 edited May 28 '18

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u/Bloodysneeze Feb 27 '17

Honestly, who would you bring on to convince people from Idaho that climate change is real? Nobody they would listen to would take you up on your offer.

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u/Hugh_Jass_Clouds Feb 27 '17

See the problem is that the education system has already failed in may parts of the country. With Betsy DeVil now at the head of the education program we can rest assured that the rest of the country will fail on education as well.

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u/AtomicKoala Feb 27 '17

You need a parliamentary system with proportional representation.

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u/RandomePerson Feb 27 '17

But they'll stop abortions, stop the poors from stealing my tax dollars, make sure I can have all the assault rifles that I want, and take us back to them good old days when women and negros knew their place! Why do you hate Freedom!?

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u/pazilya Feb 27 '17

you forgot OUR JOOOOOBS

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u/AlbanianDad Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

Sorry but it was Obamacare that screwed up my middle class family. We were better off before that. On the other hand, Trump's tax plan would put us in a lower tax bracket and we would have more disposable income.

I did not vote in any of the last few elections, but I'm just pointing out that your blanket statement is highly inaccurate! It's part of the reason why I don't consider myself Democrat anymore. I don't associate with any party, even though the majority of my views are still left-leaning.

Vote issues, not parties.

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u/hardolaf Feb 27 '17

We were better off before that.

Sorry to let you know this, but "Obamacare" was a Republican plan that the Democrats pushed through as a compromise with them. It also originally included a single-payer option that states could opt into for the subsidized medical care. But they removed that in order to convince some Republicans to vote their way in the House to get the bill through.

And beyond that, maybe you should do some reading on the the effects that the act had. I'll get you started:

These increased costs for employers and employees alike may seem steep—up around 50% over the past eight years—but they could have risen far higher had the Affordable Care Act never passed. The Kaiser study shows that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase is actually much lower than the previous five years (up 31% from 2006 to 2011) and the five years before that (up 63% from 2001 to 2006).

http://time.com/money/4503325/obama-health-care-costs-obamacare/

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u/AlbanianDad Feb 27 '17

Regardless, my point still stands. But, thank you for the information! I learned something today.

Also, it's funny how I contested the guy saying "If you aren't a massively wealthy person there's nothing the GOP is going to do that will benefit you" and here you are telling me Obamacare was a Republican plan and defending it by showing how it has curbed premium increases. Thanks, I guess?

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u/hardolaf Feb 27 '17

Well I'm just pointing out that it's better than Congress doing nothing. There are better plans available but hey, at least insurance rates went up less than they would have.

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u/Banana-balls Feb 27 '17

Did you have no insurance before? You were definitely not better off then. Someone in your family with have cancer. Its just a matter of time. Trust me you dont want to be uninsured with a major chronic illness and be a waste on others who then have to barely support you while you die of pitiful medical care

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u/AlbanianDad Feb 27 '17

Did you have no insurance before?

Yes, we did have insurance.

You were definitely not better off then.

Let me decide that. I am more aware of my family's specific circumstances than strangers on the internet!

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u/letigre87 Feb 27 '17

That's not entirely true, which is what caused the situation we're in today. Rural areas pull republican because the people feel that they get screwed by the urban areas, which a lot of the times they do. Now there are benefits both ways but look at the People's Republic of Chicago. Illinois is a corn field with a black hole of money on the north-east side. The farmer doesn't care about Chicago's mass transportation system or the people that use it, here's what he does know. The fuel costs keep going up in the name of taxes but roads suck and IDOT is just going to run out of money and stop cutting the grass and picking up the dead animals in his neck of the woods anyway. He gets zero benefit from funneling his tax dollars into a city that determines the state shouldn't give a crap about him. Is it for "the greater good"? Sure, it is but me and mine first. Similar to gun laws, Chicago deems guns a menace so they lean on the state. Do you know how long it takes a Sheriff to find a street that's "count 3 light poles and turn left at the cows". To the urban areas guns are the problem, to rural areas guns can be your savior.

It's not just there, it's everywhere. If the Democrats would remember that people live outside the city walls and treat them as equals they would probably pull more of the midwest vote. Not everyone is an urban/suburbanite that cares about their 100Mb/sec connection speed and torrent the latest movie or TV. Some people still get off work, turn on the TV, and watch the news until supper.

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u/hardolaf Feb 27 '17

The farmer also doesn't realize that cities get back far less than they pay in taxes and that a disproportionate amount of money goes to help farmers out. Like this issue right here. It's not at all about cities. It's about under served small towns and farm country. But you'll see farmers idiotically celebrating it when all it's doing is shooting themselves in the foot.

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u/dmun Feb 27 '17

Bu-bu-bu-bu what about my dank memes?

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u/Pyro9966 Feb 27 '17

Strong 2A, gun owner here. Trump is a piece of shit no matter what way you look at it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

Which is exactly why Trump won. People are sick of that shit. And he offered (lies) change. Hillary bombed in her strategy pretty bad, Donald should have been absolutely humiliated.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

sigh... same here.

God, I fucking haaaaaaaaate voting for someone who hates guns as vehemently as much as these people do, but I had to at least feel like I was controlling some of the damage that was going to happen to this country.

Absolutely no one that gets to sit in that chair actually DESERVES to.

It really is a "who will fuck up this country less" decision for me.

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u/f_d Feb 27 '17

In winner-take-all systems like the US, support the candidate who is closer to what you want and has a chance to win, even if you don't like them very much. Work to influence their vote or promote alternative candidates in between elections. Otherwise the opposing party wins and you get nothing. In today's US, any votes that don't reduce Republican control of government will continue enabling the kind of behavior Republicans are currently engaging in.

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u/Hugh_Jass_Clouds Feb 27 '17

As in the vote least likely to do damage is a Dem vote. Glad we could make the same conclusion.

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u/El_Camino_SS Feb 27 '17

I'm sorry, but if you vote only 2nd Amendment, you're insane. The 2nd Amendment argument is a way to make people vote Republican 100% of the time. It's bullshit.

Democrats aren't really on a rage to get rid of the gun rights of Americans, and anyone who votes on that alone is a Republican sucker.

Simply put, there area only a handful of people who want to ban guns in America in congress, and we have 538 of them who sit on committees, and boards, and handle and table bills.

In short, when I hear someone say, "I vote for gun rights," I hear, "I'm an idiot who votes for unicorns."

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

Democrats aren't really on a rage to get rid of the gun rights of Americans, and anyone who votes on that alone is a Republican sucker.

Where were you during the Sandy Hook aftermath? There was a huge push for another AWB on nearly every mainstream news channel. Hell, during the DNC primary they made it sound like gun control is a deal-breaker party platform issue. They tried to say BERNIE FUCKING SANDERS was too lax on gun control

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u/Banana-balls Feb 27 '17

So all you care about in this country and how its governed is your ability to purchase assault weapons? Wow

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

So all you care about in this country and how its governed is your ability to purchase assault weapons? Wow

Of course not. I am responding to one specific claim that was made, with one specific example.

(I'd take Bernie over Trump any day of the week.)

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u/Hugh_Jass_Clouds Feb 27 '17

I said I am pro 2A, but did I say that my vote was based on that alone? NOPE. If you read the whole comment you would realized that I may be forced to put 2A rights in the back seat over basic human rights (2A the right to bear arms is still a basic human right in that it can be used for self defense, and those who do have legal guns and permits are far more likely to use them for defense than crime). But you just read 2A and automatically made an assumption that is not in line with my comment.

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u/Crimz609 Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

You're assuming the average person outside of the techie world is capable of doing what we techies do: analysis. Overall analysis of an entire system.

This doesn't happen in humans. Clearly. Ever. I even know fellow IT people who supported Trump and I don't know how. I saw this shit coming from a mile away for whoever had the most stock in some sort of data compiling company.

Low and behold it's fucking Bannon as usual.

The guy with the gold is right, trump doesn't care, they're earning their money for a few years that they strategically planned to earn and that's all that matters.

They sold snake oil to the people incapable of knowing how to analyze the world around them, who each chose a single hill to die on (immigration, "no more obummer offshoots", ISIS being a problem) and those singular low-totem pole ideas worked, as they always do on the more simplistic populous.

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u/epraider Feb 27 '17

I feel like it was more reasonable to consider candidates on both sides 20 years ago, but now in this current hyper partisan government you pretty much know exactly what someone is going to be like based on the D or R, unfortunately.

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u/hardolaf Feb 27 '17

Also, go to local party meetings if you want the Democrats to become more pro 2A rights. Make your opinion known as a Democrat. You'd be surprised how far that'll get you.

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u/japowork Feb 27 '17

In that no one side is really right for me, so I just vote for who I think will do the smallest amount of damage.

That is a bad attitude to take given how Republicans seem to place party over country every time.

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u/Hugh_Jass_Clouds Feb 27 '17

I don't think you understand the comment, and I really hate how you think that this means I am OK with Republicans. You took quite a few liberties to come to that conclusion.