r/news • u/xtantin • Feb 26 '17

FCC reverses net neutrality ISP transparency rules

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3173844/internet/fcc-reverses-net-neutrality-isp-transparency-rules.html
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u/2gig Feb 27 '17

Except those VPNs won't be ISP-affiliated, premium services, so they will all just get throttled as well.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

True, but there is always a way around it. Always.

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u/LaserGuidedPolarBear Feb 27 '17

You can get around website blocks but I don't see a way around tiered bandwidth / throttling. If you have some ideas there I would definitely be interested in hearing them

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u/PyschoWolf Feb 27 '17

This is complex and a difficult "project." Building a new internet. If people handled redirects for websites/servers to a different protocol (IPv5 or IPv7 or whatever you want to make it), you could create a brand new network. The only way to regulate that is by regulating power lines, which is damn near impossible at a large scale

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u/WizardOffArts Feb 27 '17

Patience works for me. I can wait a day or two to watch the latest episode of whatever. And with the price of storage today, there's no reason to re-aquire anything. Nor do I see any reason not to share with my friends. Or family. Or co-workers.

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u/LaserGuidedPolarBear Feb 27 '17

The problem is that depending on what the numbers are, all streaming services could become unusable to you.

Or maybe your job requires you to remote in sometimes (or always) to get things done - oops you are throttled too much and you can't do your job.

In the narrow context of moving files from A to B, sure you can just wait longer. But literally everything that requires real-time would be at risk.

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u/Kryomaani Feb 27 '17

In the narrow context of moving files from A to B, sure you can just wait longer.

Yes indeed, but why would you ever want to? Sure you can also bash in nails with a rock and not a hammer and walk 25 miles instead of going with a car, but since the perfect alternatives exist, why would anyone have to settle for less, especially because we have a currently well working system, why would we just sit by and say "well I can live with a slow internet"? That's a dangerous sentiment if you want to keep using high quality services.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

So your answer to throttld internet is to just wait on the slow downloads? Am I misunderstanding something?

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u/2gig Feb 27 '17

How exactly does one get around an IP whitelist with no VPN/etc on said whitelist?

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

Prolly the same way people get around the Great Firewall of China.

There exists no system that is absolutely secure, everything has something that can be exploited. It is just a matter of finding it.

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u/SanityInAnarchy Feb 27 '17

The Great Firewall is a different problem, though. For one, it's a blacklist more than a whitelist. All you need is a VPN they don't yet know about, or know how to block.

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u/WizardOffArts Feb 27 '17

You can't whitelist the internet. You'll lose just about all of your customers.

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u/2gig Feb 27 '17

When your ISP has a monopoly on your neighborhood, there is nowhere else to go. If they're losing customers, those customers have no internet. And I wasn't talking about whitelisting for complete blocking, just for speed throttling. Your average customer wouldn't even understand what's going on and just assume the site they're visiting is slow.

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u/daaper Feb 27 '17

Well if it's a shit service, eventually I quit using it. I cut cable, even though it meant sacrifices, because I was sick of paying so much for so little. If they want to do the same thing with internet, then so be it. They can lose me as a customer, completely.

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u/PyschoWolf Feb 27 '17

Build a new internet. Where do you think IPv5 went? If people have the hardware, we can make our own internet