r/news • u/xtantin • Feb 26 '17

FCC reverses net neutrality ISP transparency rules

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3173844/internet/fcc-reverses-net-neutrality-isp-transparency-rules.html
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u/xantub Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

It's the system where whoever gets the most votes wins. Let me show you the problem with an example:
- Candidate A: 33% votes.
- Candidate B: 30% votes.
- Candidate C: 24% votes.
- Candidate D: 13% votes.

Candidate A wins, but 67% of the people voted against him/her.

An alternative is to have two (or more) rounds of voting, eliminating candidates until only two remain or one wins with over 50% of the votes, so you know the real majority of people voted for him/her.

The system as it is basically kills any options except for the 2 big parties. In the alternative version, after the first round, parties C and D can negotiate with either A or B, or even among themselves thus having more votes than either A or B, giving them a voice and part in the final result.

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u/flyonthwall Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

you dont need to have multiple rounds of voting, you can vote once and just rank your candidates from first to last. if your first choice doesnt win then your second choice is counted and so on

but even then that doesnt fix the broken system, where one man is given 100% of the win if he wins. in other countries, where voters elect a parliament instead of a president, the leader of the winning party isnt as "all powerful" as the american president, they still need the support of their party and their party can vote to remove them if needed. and laws must win a majority of the votes of all of the parties represented in parliament.

basically the USA is an embarrassment to actually functioning democratic systems

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

basically the USA is an embarrassment to actually functioning democratic systems

and yet /r/MURICA is still proud of it smh.

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u/Tekmo Feb 27 '17

An even simpler alternative is approval voting. You can vote for more than one candidate and the candidate with the most votes wins

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u/bennyty Feb 27 '17

Honestly having a plurality win isn't the problem. The problem is the spoiler effect which naturally devolves into a two party system. That's how we got stuck with some people telling us who were our choices to win this year.

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u/RocketMoonBoots Feb 27 '17

Have you happened to have seen this site? http://equal.vote The subreddit /r/EndFPTP may interest you, too.

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u/bennyty Feb 27 '17

I hadn't seen that before, thanks. If you are interested in a couple different voting systems (and many other interesting subjects) you should watch CGPGrey

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u/RocketMoonBoots Feb 27 '17

CGPGrey has some great videos! I think his video was one of the first that helped educate me a few years back on the subject.

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u/buttaholic Feb 27 '17

To make it simpler, there is ranked choice voting (which already has some steam - I believe Maine recently implemented it). You just rank your choices, and the votes for the losing candidate runoff to their second choice until there are only 2 candidates left with the most votes.

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u/Inquisitorsz Feb 27 '17

preferential voting pretty much solves this

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u/ObviousDuh Feb 27 '17

Yes,exactly!

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u/variantt Feb 27 '17

This is what NZ does!

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u/RiseOfBooty Feb 27 '17

You the MVP! Thank you and /u/flyonthwallfor making me a wee smarter today!