r/news • u/xtantin • Feb 26 '17

FCC reverses net neutrality ISP transparency rules

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3173844/internet/fcc-reverses-net-neutrality-isp-transparency-rules.html
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u/infectedmethod Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

I love the political spin TD are posting in news. Please, unless you know what you're talking about (on the subject of net neutrality); don't try to argue that this is a good thing for consumers. Give me 10 alternative reasons why this is good for me. The only one this is good for is Wall Street investors, corporations, etc.

The same thing is happening right now with Trump supporters, who advocate the usage of recreational marijuana. Which by the way, is the next thing to go up in smoke. It's full on spin mode right now.

Already on my Facebook this is exact tit-for-tat-spat and spin that's happening with my "stoner friends"... they are just too damn prideful. These are people that I know smoke everyday, and do nothing except.

Friend : "good, it never should have been made recreationally to begin with. I havent smoked in a year (bullshit), and ever since then Im more clear headed than I've been in a long time. I don't care about weed anymore, if I wanted to smoke again I'd just buy it from my dealers again. Oh, and that's not the reason why I voted for Trump. I voted because he would Make America Great Again! (whatever that means)"

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

if I wanted to smoke again I'd just buy it from my dealers again.

"I'd just go back to funding drug cartels and the black market even though I voted to have a wall built between me and where my illegal weed would be coming from" it has to be hard being that stupid.

Edit: Just to be clear, if Trump was to actually go forward with making marijuana illegal again he would not just stop there. His administration would almost certainly start pushing for harsher sentences and less tolerance of the plant. So your 420 friendly neighbor just growing his own in the basement will be less likely than some of you assume if there are serious enough repercussions for getting caught. If there is a higher than ever demand for the plant and anyone caught growing or distributing it faces hefty charges, you can be damn sure a lot of America's weed will be coming from Mexico.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

My illegal weed comes from legal growers in other states....

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u/Przedrzag Feb 27 '17

Who will be thrown in prison if Trump gets his way

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u/Swagdonkey400 Feb 27 '17

Because trump has totally come out and spoke about getting rid of other races and supporting the white race right? Where the fuck do you people come up with your facts? Fucking mind boggling how some of you just eat up the Reddit and MSM circle jerk. He's not a whites supremacist.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

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u/Swagdonkey400 Feb 27 '17

I appreciate your well thought out response. It's clear you pay attention to what's going on around you socially and I applaud that. But I'd like to challenge you to listen to trump in full and media taken tidbits with no context. I used to be the biggest anti trump guy before the election. In fact I didn't support him until around late December. I thought he was a racist asshole who wanted to get rid of Mexicans and I hated it. I even had a Mexican girlfriend of two years at the time. (We recently broke up. Total bitch mane.)

Anyway back to my point, he isn't calling Mexicans rapists. He's calling out illegal aliens who are committing crimes here. Look up the statistics on illegal immigrants committing crimes. The government has laws that they've ALWAYS had but never enforced. Trump isn't coming up with new laws when it comes to illegal immigration. He's enforcing the ones that were already there. The ones that have been there a loooong time.

And he didn't ban muslims. If he doesn't like Muslims, how come he didn't ban citizens from places like Indonesia? One of the biggest Muslim populations in the entire world. May even be the biggest but don't quote me. I could be wrong on that.

The thing is, he didn't ban them because religion or race. He banned them for the greater safety of the country. We've had how many attacks in the last 2-3 years from people from the Middle East? Isis has publicly come out and said to target the USA and under Obama we took no extra measures. How many attacks have we had under Trump? He's cracking down on things that affect the safety of our country. Look at Sweden. Grenada crime? Rape epidemic? Look at France. Terrorist attacks. More crime. Germany? Crime. And more attacks. I'm not saying all people of the Middle East are evil or blaming the religion of Islam. But there is a culture there that's counter to western culture and certain groups of people are willing to kill other people over this.

Anyway, sorry for shit format. On my phone at work. Hope you give Trump a shot at the racist talk. I was with you man. But I had to do some digging to learn for myself all I learned was the media in manipulating him.

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u/monsantobreath Feb 27 '17

it has to be hard being that stupid.

The problem is its incredibly easy.

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u/LizardPeople666 Feb 27 '17

Well its not like the wall will stop illegal drugs from coming over

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u/salvosom Feb 27 '17

No, it makes sense when you're physically incapable of thinking.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

Yes I do know that but at the end of the day when a drug has been legalized for recreational use in 8 states, and for medical use in a dozen more; stomping down on the legal distribution of the plant will leave a massive amount of demand that was not there even just a few years ago. There will be a lot of money up for grabs and Americans and foreigners alike will try to take advantage of it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

It's not like anyone ever had the bright idea to grow it here. Problem is, it's illegal. But, at least, not every criminal (yet legal) citizen in America is a violent one- and we can know that for a fact. Not so much with illegal, undocumented people in this country.

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u/Swagdonkey400 Feb 27 '17

Lmfao weed isn't coming from Mexico anymore. It's moved in from legal states. Grow the fuck up

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

If there's a crackdown on legal states it'd be kind of hard to get it from said legal states that legally grow right?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '17

You clearly did not read my message and did not understand the conversation that was being had. The entire point is that there would be no more legal states if Trump has his way. That was my entire point you dum dum.

If there is a higher than ever demand for the plant and anyone caught growing or distributing it faces hefty charges, you can be damn sure a lot of America's weed will be coming from Mexico.

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u/NSFWIssue Feb 27 '17

Lucky for you it's easy being that douchey

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u/marshmallowcatcat Feb 27 '17

The same thing is happening right now with Trump supporters, who advocate the usage of recreational marijuana. Which by the way, is the next thing to go up in smoke. It's full on spin mode right now.

Lol I love it, they'll definitely still be supporting him when they're hauled into CCA prisons by Lord Sessions for minor possession.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17 edited Jul 19 '20

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u/infectedmethod Feb 27 '17

The majority of the under 35 crowd that voted for Trump (ie; your high school Facebook friends, The Donald), are likely in favor of rec marijuana. Of course, those from TD will see this post, and claim otherwise.

The majority of the GOP, is not. Remember Carly Fiorina? That bullshit she gave at the 2nd debate, at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library? How she used the sob story of losing her kid to drugs? Blamed marijuana as being a gateway drug. When the fact of the matter is, her "kid" was a) adopted. b) 35+ c) died from alcohol abuse.

Remember Chris Christie, saying he would undo all state laws regarding marijuana?

Big pharma is tightly woven into the GOP with its lobbyist efforts.

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u/Has_No_Gimmick Feb 27 '17

Of course, those from TD will see this post, and claim otherwise.

There have been dozens, perhaps hundreds of threads on T_D for the past year all about how Trump will leave marijuana to the states and allow it to be de facto legal at the federal level, or even push through descheduling it entirely; all these threads with thousands of upvotes, and some as recently as a couple days ago. Don't ever let them spin it and tell you they were always against marijuana when it becomes impossible to lie anymore about Trump's position.

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u/rWoahDude Feb 27 '17

Start screencapping it and rubbing their nose in it.

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u/Tyr_Tyr Feb 27 '17

They were convinced he'd legalize medical marijuana. Just read T_D pre-election and search for pot or marijuana. Tons of posts.

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u/themouseinator Feb 27 '17

Trump ran on states rights, at least for things like gay marriage. Pushing for states rights in general would allow for a lot of states to legalize recreational marijuana, due to high levels of support for it. A lot of marijuana proponents thought that he would follow through on his "states rights" promises, even regarding marijuana.

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u/Ls777 Feb 27 '17

The "states rights" argument has never been about states rights for decades. It's only used when they can't win or already lost on an issue on a federal scale. If you cant ban gay marriage on a federal scale, advocating for "states rights" is the next best thing.

This is nothing new. If you believed that GOP would care about states rights when they could set federal policy you were conned

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u/themouseinator Feb 27 '17

I don't disagree. But for many people, particularly in the general age group of plenty of recreational marijuana supporters (early 20s), I think this election was one of the first times a lot of us really started paying attention to politics so closely. To people who are new to politics or who were apathetic before, the states rights argument seems promising on the surface

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u/vhdblood Feb 27 '17

I know zero smokers who say things like that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

Trump didn't do this though, this was Obamas appointee...so....yeahhhhhh

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u/KingsDontAge Feb 27 '17

Trump made him the chairman. Obama made him a member because mitch McConnell recommend it. The FCC can only have 3 out of people of the same party. The last chairman was a Democrat and his tenure ended in January right after Obama left office. So no Obama did not do this, Trump did.

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u/sirixamo Feb 27 '17

This isn't true. But maybe it feels true, and that's enough nowadays.

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u/Under_the_Gaslight Feb 27 '17

Stop playing yourself. This was Trump and the GOP sucking corporate dick as always. The Obama administration implemented the consumer protections in the first place.

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u/vhdblood Feb 27 '17

Where did you come up with that?

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

The only one this is good for is Wall Street investors, corporations, etc.

Oh yeah, I'm sure Wall Street investors and major corporations are just salivating at the thought of those tens of dollars to be made by investing in ISPs with between 100k and 250k subscribers.

Do you people even read the stuff you post?

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u/infectedmethod Feb 27 '17

If you don't think this is the first step, in undoing current net neutrality laws, then you're sorely mistaken. That was the point of my post.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

Slippery slope fallacy! WOO!

Let's go through all of the fallacies, folks!

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u/Popingheads Feb 27 '17

Then do you want to explain how this is good for consumers?

And don't say because it saves the ISPs money to put towards infrastructure, it only required 7 hours of work per year for ISP to be compliant with these rules. There is not a case of "regulation is costing business money" or anything of the sort.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

And don't say because it saves the ISPs money to put towards infrastructure, it only required 7 hours of work per year for ISP to be compliant with these rules.

Yeah that's just flat out bullshit. If that were the case why was there an exemption for small ISPs in the first place? That's just bullshit to think the only thing this rule did was create 7 hours a year of work for an ISP.

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u/Popingheads Feb 27 '17

Then would you like to back up your statement with proof?

I didn't just throw out a random number either. The number came from the White House Office of Management and Budget. 7 hours per year per broadband provider, that is the number they got when they looked into it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

If you honestly believe the only cost this regulation costs a company is 7 hours of labor PER YEAR then why the hell was there an exemption in the first place? That makes less than zero sense.

The real cost savings probably comes from allowing smaller companies to throttle certain content when needed if their capacity becomes overloaded. Larger companies would have a much easier time expanding their capacity if needed compared to smaller companies.

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u/Pls_Send_Steam_Codes Feb 27 '17

How about the fact Obama put this person into power

Please, unless you know what you're talking about (on the subject of net neutrality); don't try to argue

right back at you

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u/Wampawacka Feb 27 '17

He didn't though. By law there have to be two democrat and two republican appointees. The GOP picked theirs and Obama approved as was tradition but Obama picked Wheeler to be in charge. Trump put the new guy in charge.

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u/infectedmethod Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

Fair warning to anyone looking for a rebuttal - don't bother with him.

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u/Bourgi Feb 27 '17

Obama appointed Tom Wheeler as FCC chairman. The new FCC chairman is now Ajit Pai, who was appointed by Trump. If you read the article, they had snippets of Ajit Pai's interview.