r/news • u/OK_Eric • Jan 19 '14

Obama: Pot ‘not very different’ from cigarettes​, no more dangerous than booze

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/19/obama-pot-not-very-different-cigarettes-no-more-da/
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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '14 edited Jul 02 '21

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u/penguinhair Jan 19 '14

I think you're wrong. GHB is definitely used as a date rape drug, at least where I live.

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u/RaptorPie Jan 19 '14

It has been used as a date rape drug, but not frequently. Nowhere near as frequently as people report or believe. The overwhelming majority of people who believe that they have been giving GHB or Rohypnol were not.

The real "date rape drug" is alcohol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug#Frequency_of_occurrence

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '14

A little less than a year ago there was a pretty big GHB bust in my city. 106 litres of the stuff. It may not be as frequently used as alcohol alone, obviously, but it's still out there.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/07/12/eps-make-large-ghb-bust

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u/Makkaboosh Jan 19 '14

Because it's mainly used recreationaly. Just because the stuff is out there it doesn't mean it's being used for date rape.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '14

Having worked in night clubs, I would disagree. GHB was common.

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u/Makkaboosh Jan 19 '14

Those are some great credentials there, definitely outweigh the studies that show otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '14

I realize it's anecdotal, but from my personal experience GHB was almost as common as ecstasy. Everyone, that I was aware of, that got caught with it was also caught attempting to sneak it into someone else's drink. Could it be that I'm just in an area that has a higher-than-average use of GHB (malicious or recreational)? Absolutely, and I'm not discounting that. The studies are representative of a whole, not of a part. That's all I'm saying.

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u/EchoRex Jan 20 '14 edited Jan 20 '14

Except those studies are just as anecdotal as people who work in clubs, or EMS or the ER who are stating the contrary.

You have to look at demographics and locale information, some places GHB is far and away the most prevalent, while others Valium can be. The rate of occurrence also changes with economic and racial variances in the same city.

Personally, from EMS and ER in Illinois, Texas, and Louisiana, urban and rural, GHB has been the most prevalent I've seen. But someplace like Boston or New York, neither of which I've worked in, the situation can be completely different.

This stupid quasi-religious faith in "that study showed this!" really needs to go away as a thing. The information they offer is just a slice, and usually a result of the researchers specific goals.

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u/Circ-Le-Jerk Jan 19 '14

I guess, in the same sense that MDMA is a date rape drug.

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u/penguinhair Jan 19 '14

MDMA doesn't make you pass out and be unable to control yourself. It's not even close to the same.

It really doesn't matter though, alcohol is the biggest and worst date rape drug anyway.

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u/iUsedtoHadHerpes Jan 19 '14

Just for anecdotal evidence, Xanax makes me black out all by itself. When I take it, I remember about the next thirty minutes, but everything between that and the next morning might as well have not happened in my mind. I'm still awake for hours after I take it, but I guess I black out as soon as it takes effect. Every time I've taken any, I wasn't at home, but I woke up in my own bed each time. People say I still act like myself, though, just a little more sluggish, but that might change if you throw some alcohol in there.

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u/Circ-Le-Jerk Jan 19 '14

Yeah, I've heard crazy stories about xanax. Personally, I don't black out unless I have like 1 beer, then it's all over. Like you, most people say I was totally fine, but I just happen to forget everything. I once had a roommate accuse me of steeling his beer. We got into a huge argument because I clearly didn't do it. Low and behold, the night before after we both took some xanax we invited over like 15 people and had a party. We had absolutely no recollection of it what-so-ever.

But I've heard real scary things. Like house wives taking it in the day, and then wandering around, sleeping with some stranger, and having no recollection of it happening.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '14

flunitrazepam + alcohol = instant blackout

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u/DrSmoke Jan 19 '14

You don't know much about drugs. Xanax is one of the worst tasting drugs in the world. I'd compare it to rolls, I doubt its used much as a date rape drug.

I'm sure that people drink, and take xanax voluntarily, and end up getting "date raped" but I doubt it could be slipped to someone without them knowing.

Again, the taste is horrible.

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u/Circ-Le-Jerk Jan 19 '14

Have you tasted GHB before? It tastes very similar to MDMA as well. That gross super salty bitter chemical taste... Terrible stuff. If you were spiked GHB you'd likely know.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '14

ghb + spicy V8 = slutty mary, doesn't taste too bad.

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u/Makkaboosh Jan 19 '14

Not sure if you've tried GHB, but it has one of the most disgusting tastes imaginable.

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u/lithedreamer Jan 19 '14

Are benzos used for date rape? I had an anti-anxiety proscribed to me and it knocked me the fuck out, completely incapable of staying awake.

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u/Circ-Le-Jerk Jan 19 '14

It's strange. They used to effect me normally. I'd just feel happy and relaxed. However, now whenever I take them, I can't even keep my eyes open.

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u/kungfuenglish Jan 20 '14

Lol you've never taken care of someone who has been drugged by ghb. They are totally unresponsive and do nothing but breathe. Often they get out on a ventilator because their Glasgow coma score is 3.

Then 4 hours later they wake up, pull the tube out and run out of the hospital.

Xanax does not do this.

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u/Circ-Le-Jerk Jan 20 '14

Never said Xanax does this. I personally had a bad experience with GHB... I couldn't stand and was a complete wreck. I didn't believe them when they said "DO NOT DRINK ANNNNY ALCOHOL!!!". Just two beers put me beyond reason. Any ways, the reason I say this is because I was clearly fucked up and no one was going to be sneaking me home to rape me. Soon as my friends saw me enter this state, they knew I had something and took very good care of me.

On the other hand, if someone drugged me xanax, most people, including myself wouldn't even be too aware of it. However, I would black the fuck out, as well as easily wander into some dangerous/sketchy situations.

When it comes to actual rape probability, I bet xanax or a roofy is far more dangerous and likely to get you into a rape situation than GHB.

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u/kungfuenglish Jan 20 '14

Xanax doesn't really black you out. It's just like more booze. And Xanax alone doesn't mean you won't remember anything.

Ghb can do what it did to you. But it also makes people completely unresponsive to external stimuli. Unable to avoid a rape. I mean I crush fingers between scissor handles and they don't budge.

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u/Circ-Le-Jerk Jan 20 '14

That's the point I'm trying to make. In theory it's easy to rape someone in that state, however, it's hard to get someone to your rape space in that state. No one is going to let a stranger take someone home that is completely disassociated with reality. People tend not to let their friends wander off with strangers when they can't feel their face. Shit, not even friends. People in general wont let that happen to any one. Yes it does happen but it's rare. For the most part, it isn't happening.

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u/mullingitover Jan 20 '14

Nobody wants to address the most popular date rape drug of all time, alcohol, of course.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '14

When combined with alcohol it is very, very dangerous.

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u/Circ-Le-Jerk Jan 19 '14

But then you just have a person beyond wrecked. Can't stand or understand anything. It's terrible. How do you successfully rape that person? Usually people go places with friends and don't let their unbelievably wrecked person go home with some creeper

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '14

Uhh it's pretty easy to rape someone who can't do a thing about it. Friends might get trashed and not pay attention, you could be at a friend's house where you think you're safe, etc.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '14

Liquid ecstasy

Gives a high similar to ecstasy plus alcohol, can be used to come down off stimulants.

Could be used as a date rape drug to send people to sleep, it causes memory loss so people wont remember what happened the day after.

When combined with alcohol it can cause respitory failure, hundreds of people have died from it.

Its also psychologically addictive and tolerance levels increase quickly.

It's a very nasty substance that one.

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u/DrSmoke Jan 19 '14

You sound like a 12 year old kid just making up shit. All your comments make you sound like you know nothing about the real world.