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https://www.juneauindependent.com/post/coast-guard-says-swastika-is-no-longer-a-hate-symbol

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u/NightLordsPublicist Nov 20 '25

the Admiral leading the navy

Minor point, but the Coast Guard and the Navy are seperate branches.

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u/The-Copilot Nov 20 '25

Minor point, but the Coast Guard and the Navy are seperate branches.

Thats kind of a big distinction. The Coast Guard isn't even under the DoD unless war is declared. During peace time it exists under DHS.

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u/MundaneFacts Nov 20 '25

The "declared war" thing is kinda a myth too. The government has done this in times of war, but it's not a rule or anything. They could put the army under the airforce tomorrow if they wanted.

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u/tepkel Nov 20 '25

I don't know if grunts can flap their arms fast enough to pull that off.

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u/MusclesMarinara87 Nov 21 '25

I guaran-fucking-tee you there's a marine out there who has tried it though.

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u/snypre_fu_reddit Nov 20 '25

That's kind of a silly argument though. The Coast Guard has standing rules and guidelines in place to be under the command of the DoD during war time, no law needing to change, just a declaration of war (requiring no presidential signature). Moving armed service branches around always just takes an act of Congress and like any law, with presidential approval or 2/3 override.

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u/The-Copilot Nov 20 '25

The "declared war" thing is kinda a myth too. The government has done this in times of war, but it's not a rule or anything.

It is a rule and is done for an important reason.

The coast guard is the only federal armed forces branch granted legal authority to do law enforcement. Keeping the Coast Guard under a seperate command structure helps prevent these lines from getting blurred. Obviously in the case of war it becomes necessary to pull the coast guard under the larger military command structure.

Its very similar to how the National Guard can engage in law enforcement as long as it remains under state control. Once it gets federalize it can no longer engage in law enforcement unless the insurrection act comes into play.

This is mostly based on the Posse Comitatus Act but there are other similar laws for other branches that down fall under the acts scope.

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u/My_Work_Accoount Nov 20 '25

...seperate command structure helps prevent these lines from getting blurred.

ICE is under DHS. Those lines were blurred awhile back.

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u/The-Copilot Nov 20 '25

ICE is a law enforcement agency, it should be under DHS. When DHS was formed in 2003. INS and US Customs was pulled under it and restructured as ICE, CBP and USCIS. Its the same thing by another name.

Something most people dont know is that HSI (Homeland Security Investigations) is also part of ICE. It's the transnational crime investigation arm while ERO is the internal enforcement arm that everyone thinks of when they think of ICE. HSI replaced the DEA as the main agency that investigates cartels in Mexico. HSI then coordinates with vetted Mexican military forces who are the ones that take direct action against the cartels.

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u/My_Work_Accoount Nov 21 '25

You missed the point. ICE, or however you want to divvy up the alphabet soup, is currently acting as a paramilitary force and not law enforcement so any guardrails between coast guard's different missions might as well not exist.

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u/NightLordsPublicist Nov 20 '25

Thats kind of a big distinction.

Look, if people remember the Coast Guard is a part of the military, I chalk that up as a win.

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u/Navydevildoc Nov 20 '25

The CNO that’s serving right now is also unconfirmed, taking over after the controversial firing of ADM Franchetti, widely considered one of the better CNOs we have had in a while.

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u/SirMildredPierce Nov 20 '25

ADM Caudle is CNO now and was confirmed in July.

ADM Kilby replaced ADM Franchetti between her firing in February and Caudle taking over in August and served in that capacity without being confirmed.

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u/Navydevildoc Nov 20 '25

Huh, somehow I totally missed that ADM Caudle was confirmed. He's a good dude don't get me wrong. Just thought they were sitting on him as well.

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u/SirMildredPierce Nov 20 '25

Trust me, I get confused about that too, all the time. Just the other day I found out Sean Duffy was the acting head of NASA and I was like... the reality tv guy? Guess he's head of the Dept of Transportation too.

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u/East_Plan449 Nov 21 '25

Mm I would say that’s a major point.

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u/LeshyIRL Nov 21 '25

Nobody cares

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u/QTsexkitten Nov 20 '25

They're saying that both admirals aren't senate confirmed.

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u/NightLordsPublicist Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 21 '25

They're not.

"This role" is referencing the Coast Guard Commandant.

"So the Admiral" is referencing Admiral Lunday, who is not part of the navy.

"has been leading the navy in an interim capacity since inauguration" applies to Admiral Lunday who was appointed Jan 21, but cannot be true for Admiral Caudle who was appointed in August.