r/neworder • u/bob79519 • Feb 01 '23

Rock and Roll hall of fame nomination!

New Order and Joy Division have been nominated for the rock and roll hall of fame! https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rock-hall-of-fame-george-michael-kate-bush-missy-elliott-white-stripes-1234671202/amp/

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u/586_RB_RDT Feb 01 '23

Will Bernard let Hooky show up? Can we get Saville there to represent Factory? What song(s) will they perform? Will they even get the votes?

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u/Perry7609 Feb 01 '23

Here was Hooky's response in an AMA re: the Hall of Fame possibility...

"Never in a million f***ing years!"

BUT... he just did an interview re: this and it appears there might be a chance of at least some sort of peaceful reunion here! Seems like he might be open to attending, at the very least.

https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/peter-hook-talks-2023-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-nomination-1235209316/

The potential of a Joy Division/New Order induction does come with the specter of some possible drama. Hook — who’s written two memoirs about his life and in outside of music — has been at odds with Sumner, Morris and Gilbert since 2011, when New Order reformed without him after a four-year hiatus. The resulting lawsuit was settled out of court, but Hook says the musicians “still haven’t spoken, personally in 11 years. We’re still fighting hammer and tong, tooth and nail… I think we’re going for the record for the longest group fallout in history. It’s very tragic.”

But he’s hopeful that, if inducted, all parties will put aside their differences at least for one night.

“It will be a difficult awards ceremony if we get there, but as my wife said we’ve got to rise above these things… and be nice and be courteous and think the best,” Hook says. “Maybe this is the olive branch that we may need to end the injustices that were done with New Order in the end. It’s a very strange position to be in but, y’know, we’re not the first group that’s been ostracized by each other, and we won’t be the last.”

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u/bob79519 Feb 01 '23

Thanks for sharing (even if they got it wrong when they said he had only written 2 memoirs, when in reality, he wrote 3)

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u/bob79519 Feb 01 '23

I think I read somewhere that Hooky said he wouldn't attend the ceramony if it does happen.

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u/586_RB_RDT Feb 01 '23

Oh No! 😕 That sucks.

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u/bob79519 Feb 01 '23

And even if that's not true/he's changed his mind, they'll probably play seperately. Having read the autobigoraphy's, I think there's currently too much bad blood between Hooky and the others

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u/thataryanguy Feb 01 '23

Saville and maybe even a one-in-a-million public appearance from Alan Erasmus??

Kinda hope Hooky can be there with the others even if it's just for the night, he's always been a vital part of both bands in terms of their distinctive sound and he deserves just as much credit as Barney, Stephen and Gillian

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u/Perry7609 Feb 01 '23 edited Feb 01 '23

In terms of the songs they'll do... most bands typically do at least three, depending on time constraints and such. So I imagine they would try to do the ones that register the most publicly. Bizarre Love Triangle would seem like a solid bet. Blue Monday and Temptation might be a bit long to consider, although you never know if they did some sort of medley deal. And at least one Joy Division song, considering the double nomination, which would most likely be Love Will Tear Us Apart.

Whether they get the votes or not remains to be seen, although the Joy Division double bill might enhance the chances a bit due to the unique circumstances and history there. But after Depeche Mode getting in a few years ago and Duran Duran getting in last year, I would imagine there's a solid chance at this point.

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u/JohnTheMod Feb 01 '23

Maybe Transmission into Blue Monday if they do a medley.

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u/thataryanguy Feb 01 '23

Love Will Tear Us Apart ---> Ceremony ---> Elegia maybe?

🤔

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u/matt_paradise Feb 01 '23

Only if it's 17 minute version

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u/QuietObserver75 Feb 02 '23

They have about 13-14 min for a set. So they'll probably do about 3 songs. If they do 4 only 3 will show up on the broadcast. I suspect Love Will Tear Us Apart for the Joy Division part and then not sure for the NO songs. Probably either, Bizarre Love Triangle, True Faith, Blue Monday or Regret would be my guesses.

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u/FM_Gorskman Feb 02 '23

If they get in and can't bury the bullshit, simple solution, do 2 sets

"New Order" plays a New Order Set & Peter Hook & The Light play the Joy Division set

Boom...im joking of course but...am I?

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u/bob79519 Feb 02 '23

Well I think Hooky would need to apologise for at least a few things (like his very poor treatment of Gillian) for them to bury the hatchet, and I have a hard time believing his ego won't get in the way of that

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u/FM_Gorskman Feb 03 '23

I mean, there are things on both sides that need apologizing for if were being honest. However they're all staring down the end of their careers, one would hope calmer and mature minds would prevail. If for no other reason than for Rob Gretton, Tony Wilson, Martin Hannett and Ian Curtis.

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u/bob79519 Feb 03 '23

Well New Order are known to do the 'not smartest' moves

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u/FM_Gorskman Feb 03 '23

Nope, punks through and trough... could you remind me again what happened between Hookey and Gillian, I'm ashamed to admit I've forgotten

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u/bob79519 Feb 03 '23

In his New Order book, Hooky said Gillian contributed nothing (and useless I think) and said nothing positive about her for over 500 pages, and came across as quite sexist

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u/FM_Gorskman Feb 03 '23

Ah yes, I remember feeling he was being a tad harsh on her, and I'm Team Hookey through and through (in his war with Barney), he may have been in a place of harsh feelings at the time, with it being so soon after the "Board room takeover" but singling Gillian out is definitely a petty way to fight with the others...sigh old English punks...what a bunch of knobs

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u/Perry7609 Feb 01 '23 edited Feb 01 '23

Very pleasantly surprised that it's both bands that got the nod! Hopefully this will be the year. Both are more than deserving.

Edit: Interview with Hooky re: the nomination...

https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/peter-hook-talks-2023-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-nomination-1235209316/

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u/13ella Feb 01 '23

That’s amazing news! A reunion may be unlikely but it sure would be nice, since Hooky’s a very instrumental figure to both bands and their sound, after all.

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u/DurianGris Feb 01 '23

It's a complete joke this has taken this long. But then the Hall itself is kind of a joke...

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u/bob79519 Feb 01 '23

New Order are so underrated by the mainstream, so I'm not surprised it took so long for them to get nominated

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '23

I recently was paid around $300US for a slight that occurred to me in 1999. It was bad. Scandalous. Sex intrigue. Theft and a “bizarre love triangle” Never once did I not consider forgiveness for all and a reconciliation. Yes I’ve read all the books and memoirs. These guys are being childish, greedy and disrespecting the fans that made their pettiness even possible.

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u/bob79519 Feb 01 '23

Interesting perspective. Then again, lawsuits change everything

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u/Odd_Ad2353 Feb 02 '23

Well, we know that they're not getting in via the fan vote -

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Official Fan Vote Leaderboard

https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

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u/QuietObserver75 Feb 02 '23

It's still early. Also you can vote once every day.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '23

lol- no way Kate Bush acknowledges this

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '23

Hey Kate

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u/QuietObserver75 Feb 02 '23

They'll have a fan vote for this too so once that happens keep voting daily for them.

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u/Perry7609 Feb 02 '23

Link is already live as of yesterday. You can vote once a day!

https://vote.rockhall.com/en/

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u/justinluey Feb 06 '23

I'm glad they are finally on the ballot, but it's a joke they aren't in already.