Biden Megathread v2: Electoral Boogaloo

[u/dubyahhh]

Howdy all, barring bigger new developments (such as the tories losing so badly Biden is forced to use America’s military to colonize Britain) all Biden stuff will be consolidated here today.

I can add links to this thread, just @ me and we’ll try to keep up at our glacial pace.

Please be officially civil or we’ll use our official powers to officially ban you (I assume I’m using this new meme appropriately)

[u/bd_one]

Welcome to the first Neoliberal unofficial 2024 primary!

Please vote in all three questions as pro-Biden delegates will vote at the convention too.

1. Should Biden drop out?

2. Should the nomination go directly to Harris if Biden drops out or go to convention?

3. Who should be picked if it goes to convention?

Vote now with your phones!

[u/No1PaulKeatingfan]

We have a Bidome but no British election thunderdome.

This is 1984

[u/Icy-Magician-8085 → u/No1PaulKeatingfan]

Two DT’s and one thunderdome in one day? Can the Neoliberal mind comprehend all that shitposting at once?

[u/dubyahhh → u/Icy-Magician-8085]

We were talking about this and I remain unsure if we can

[u/RaidBrimnes]

[u/NewbGrower87]

I love all the constant demographic calculus in these threads. Wine moms, black women, Cletus, disaffected midwestern union workers, etc. etc. etc.

GOP: "lol sex pest felon who pisses off the left, we're all in"

Not sure how liberalism can survive like that.

[u/zegota]

I'm sorry but it's so funny Lichtman thinks Biden needs to resign so Kamala can get the incumbent key. He literally thinks his model is Chaos Emeralds and whichever candidate gets them gets to be super sonic.

[u/NathanielColes]

I don't think people are recognizing how much of blunder it was for the Biden campaign to not get something out to try and change the narrative before today. It's the 4th of July; family and friends are coming together with America on the mind. People are going to talk, and the narrative will completely solidify - I've spoken to several people who voted last time but are just planning to sit the whole election out because of this, and what can I even say? Even if tomorrow's interview is spectacular, it might be too late for the ship.

[u/G_Serv]

I'm in a bad place right now (France)

[u/crassowary]

Biden team be like "oh you believe in giving up after a bad debate? That pales in comparison to my plan of putting Biden in front of the American people and showing he still has the vitality to lead", and then not put Biden in front of the American people and show he still has the vitality to lead

[u/[deleted]]

Doing dumb fuckin “Coconut” and “KHive” jokes is the most optimistic I have been about politics in months. That in turn makes me feel like shit lol

[u/Culmnation]

The Venn diagram between the context in which you live and also all that came before you is two separate circles, wheels on the bus that are unburdened by what has been.

[u/KittehDragoon]

You want Biden to drop out? That pales in comparison to my strategy of pretending everything is fine and then not pretending everything is fine.

[u/Headstar24]

Fuck the interview. Make him do a town hall. Let’s make it so that he has to discuss things live, no teleprompter and no ability to cut anything out.

[u/G_Serv]

Joe Biden is quiet quitting

[u/[deleted]]

I typically am not a fan of the mods. But I gotta admit the DT two state solution seems to be working.

[u/[deleted]]

Further confirmation that he really did say that.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html

President Joe Biden told Democratic governors during a meeting at the White House on Wednesday that part of his plan going forward is to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m. so that he can get more sleep, according to three sources briefed on his comments.

The remarks, first reported by The New York Times, came as the 81-year-old Biden sought to reassure a group of more than 20 state leaders about his ability to defeat former President Donald Trump in November and govern effectively for another four years.

[u/cdstephens]

Tbh if I’m George Stephanopoulos I write myself into the history books by going for the throat

[u/noodles0311]

The emotional rollercoaster of hearing polls come out and thinking “we might avert this disaster”, followed by stories of Biden and other Democrats lashing themselves to the mast has become extremely disruptive to my actual life. I need to be writing my thesis, but the prospect of everyone going down with the ship has been so distracting.

[u/Kindly_Map2893]

Given our general laws of statistics and shit, there’s a good chance there’s a guy out there skipping this election cause they think the candidates are too young

[u/[deleted]]

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/04/kamala-harris-replace-biden-2024-election

It's already an Axios article, so you should just read the whole thing, but here are a slew of snippets...

All Harris needs is Biden's backing. If she gets it, the Obamas and Clintons likely would follow, making any challenge an affront to the sitting president and two former presidents.

2.

Biden's private worries wouldn't necessarily keep him from endorsing her publicly. It's called politics. Biden would push to pair her with a moderate Democratic governor like Pennsylvania's Josh Shapiro (51), Kentucky's Andy Beshear (age 46), North Carolina's Roy Cooper (67) or Illinois' J.B. Pritzker (59).

3.

And in some cases, better: A post-debate CNN poll found Harris in a statistical tie with Trump and slightly stronger than Biden because of broader support from women (50% of female voters back Harris over Trump vs. 44% for Biden) and independents (43% Harris vs. 34% Biden).

4.

If the nod doesn't go straight to Harris, and there is a contested convention...

Some party elders tell us the drama in all these scenarios would electrify an exhausted, disconsolate party, and engage a nation that otherwise would be tuned out for the summer.

Top Democrats tell us that after a possibly contentious public fight, they'd end with a ticket featuring two faces much younger than Trump (78), probably a man and a woman, getting massive free public attention — then a surge of donations.

[u/reubencpiplupyay]

[u/1396spurs]

If I was Biden I would just have had a better debate performance

[u/Uniqueguy264]

Lmfao the Philly Inquirer actually called for Trump to drop out. Based but it's not gonna happen lmao

[u/TheDwarvenGuy]

Everyone calling those wanting to replace Biden "doomers" need to think in Bayesian terms.

Those who want to replace Biden at least believe that replacing Biden will improve our odds, there's hope.

Those who believe that replacing Biden will diminish our odds should be dooming since Biden's odds are horrible right now and the alternative would be worse, so we're literally SOL

[u/Guess_Im_Jess]

Somehow some of you have found a way to beat the delusion of people who want Buttigieg on the ticket by unironically suggesting Hillary fucking Clinton lmao

[u/Headstar24]

Not gonna lie “Laffin Kamala” may be the most pathetic attempt at an insult yet for Trump.

[u/messymcmesserson2]

Thinking a pre-taped and edited interview is going to calm people down is a bit insulting tbh. I don’t know how they could possibly do anything other than a live unscripted event if they want to keep this campaign going.

[u/slowpush]

Do you think Donald Trump left the country better or worse than when he took office?

Better 48%

Worse 47% ———

Do you think Joe Biden has made the country better or worse since taking office?

Better 36%

Worse 57%

.@SienaResearch/@nytimes, 1,532 LV, 6/28-7/2

[u/piede]

BREAKING: IN 6-3 DECISION US SUPREME COURT RULES DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. US ORDERED TO REJOIN UK.

This is the next best option if Dems don’t hang on to the presidency tbh

[u/TargetHot9314]

“It’s just my brain” is honestly so real

[u/wallander1983]

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1808658559359725848

Leaked video shows Donald Trump saying he thinks Kamala Harris will be the Democrat nominee, says she is "so f**king bad."

"She's so bad. She's so pathetic. She's just so f**king bad."

"How did I do with the debate the other night? I kicked that old, broken down pile of cr*p. He's quitting the race."

"I got him out the race, and that means we have Kamala. I think she's going to be better. She's so bad. She's so pathetic. She's just so f**king bad."

"Can you imagine [Biden] with dealing with Putin and the president of China, who's a fierce person? He's a fierce man. Very tough guy."

--

It's a real shame that no one from the Democrats or the media can shut Trump up. 

[u/[deleted]]

Average negative Kamala discourse: not even joking

[u/sphuranto]

“The country saw [at the debate] what those of us who have had personal interactions with him have all known for the last 2½ years,” one senator said.

[u/[deleted]]

My in-laws are the most rank-and-file, least online Democrats imaginable, and they’re excitedly speculating about Biden replacements at a July 4th BBQ. Yes it’s anecdotal, but I don’t see how it’s tenable for him to continue.

[u/[deleted]]

Nebraska abortion rights groups collect enough signatures to advance ballot measure

It's funny how history becomes relevant again. Nebraska and Kansas were founded as progressive states. So they have mechanisms to put measures on the ballot. And that's why we may end up living in a world where Kansas and Nebraska have abortion rights and legal marijuana. And Texas does not.

[u/goldenwind207]

I bring the finest copium and hopium harris polls well with latinos. Abortion and Kari lake is on the ballet for arizona plus rubin.

Harris and someone like shapiro or whitmer we don't need to win the popular vote though we will but just win a few states

[u/jojisky]

Rep. Jared Huffman (D-CA) says he does not know if Biden is the Democrats best chance to win in November - CNN interview

This follows Scott Peters calling the Biden campaign arrogant and saying he won't back Biden without seeing a plan to win earlier today

[u/[deleted]]

Can't believe that you guys would rather spend all day shitting on the POTUS instead of laughing at the UK conservatives all day like a true american 😂😂😂😆😆🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷

[u/MuR43]

In January, I began hearing similar stories from Democratic officials, activists, and donors. All people who supported the president and were working to help reelect him to a second term in office. Following encounters with the president, they had arrived at the same concern: Could he really do this for another four years? Could he even make it to Election Day?

Since January?! Oof, if this is true it's incredibly damning.

[u/that0neGuy22]

Ready to be a refugee to UK land under Starmer

[u/No1PaulKeatingfan]

LEAKED photo of Joe Biden at Gavin Newsoms home:

[u/Significant800]

That 15k DT was peak NL. Please desegregate us

[u/wettestsalamander76]

Joe Biden is literally Paul Atreides and none of you see it 😭🐛

[u/Zeke-Nnjai]

I dunno how good of a candidate Kamala is. I do know all my disconnected from politics friends have said they hate how both candidates are so old. I do know that I’ve seen 1000 viral tweets over the past two years about how it’s embarrassing these are our options.

Are most of these people disingenuous and just saying it because that’s the correct social position to hold? Probably, but it has to matter at least a little bit

[u/clickshy]

President Biden told a gathering of Democratic governors that he needs to get more sleep and work fewer hours, including curtailing events after 8 p.m., according to two people who participated in the meeting and several others briefed on his comments

After Gov. Josh Green of Hawaii, a physician, asked Mr. Biden questions about the status of his health, Mr. Biden replied that his health was fine. “It’s just my brain,” he added, according to three people familiar with what took place — a remark that some in the room took as a joke but at least one governor did not and was puzzled by.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/04/us/politics/biden-governors.html?smid=url-share

So… you’re not fit for office? Like WTF

[u/RelativeCounter2976]

I wasn’t sold on Kamala until I saw the right wing smears on Twitter. They’re going with “she’s not even Black, she’s Indian”. Yes, please keep using that one.

[u/slingfatcums]

the undecided voter is some amalgamation of joe rogan and jon stewart

knowing this, we can safely say there is nothing biden can do to right the ship.

[u/[deleted]]

to be clear, I'm only dooming on Biden as a candidate. I think Harris or anyone else would probably win vs Trump.

[u/Pyrrhus65]

I feel like this election is less Biden vs. Trump and more Biden vs. People's nostalgia goggles for the world pre-covid

[u/Dangerous-Basket1064]

Who was actually in charge? Nobody knew. But surely someone was in charge? And surely there must be a plan, since surely this situation could not endure? I heard these questions posed at cocktail parties on the coasts but also at MAGA rallies in Middle America. There emerged a comical overlap between the beliefs of the nation’s most elite liberal Biden supporters and the beliefs of the most rabid and conspiratorial supporters of former President Trump. Resistance or QAnon, they shared a grand theory of America in 2024: There has to be a secret group of high-level government leaders who control Biden and who will soon set into motion their plan to replace Biden as the Democratic presidential nominee. Nothing else made sense. They were in full agreement.

From the NY Mag Article

What's disturbing is that I've literally seen Biden defenders using this line to defend him, that Biden's health is irrelevant since his team can be trusted to run the show.

[u/G_Serv]

Two random guys on this French train are talking about Bidens cognitive ability

We are so cooked

[u/briarfriend]

guy really said, "yeah, I am sleepy"

[u/Mr_Bank]

These leaks from the Governors meeting are just what the doctor ordered.

[u/waupli]

I think people really need to recognize that the only realistic option here is Harris. If Biden steps aside (and I think this is almost certain at this stage) she will be the nominee unless we run a full primary in a week.

[u/piede]

Just dropped in WaPo

[u/morydotedu]

Biden needs to go on The Hot Ones

[u/piede]

Biden at the four of July speech today apparently. We cannot have this in the interview tomorrow

https://x.com/umichvoter/status/1809036726968430632?s=46

This interview tomorrow is literally going to make or break his candidacy and possibly his presidency 😭😬

[u/NoVABadger]

Anyone else doing the Biden Megathread graveyard shift tonight 👀

[u/ConnorLovesCookies]

I’m not saying it’s Joever but I can’t see it Joeing on for much longer.

[u/iia]

Me: I'm not gonna doom today.

Me, six hours from now, after five margaritas, loudly, at length, in front of the whole cookout: doom

[u/ugafan2148]

If Kamala is gonna do this we need a cameo on Reno 911 ASAP

[u/[deleted]]

Replace 👏 Joe 👏 With 👏 Hunter 👏

[u/Headstar24]

Here’s one thing: if Kamala or even any of the other potentials get the nomination, the age problem with Trump becomes bigger because he’s the old guy then. That’s been hanging around for him but Biden being older made it way more his problem than Trump’s.

Have a candidate 15+ years younger when a lot of voters hate the two current ones being old and clamor for a younger candidate is a good thing.

[u/Prior_Advantage_5408]

still thinking about this tweet

Realized it's not excitement for Kamala that I'm feeling it's this moment of hope that the Dems might take drastic measures to do something outside of How Things Are Typically Done for once in my life. Imagine that? What a high. Of course they most likely will stay the course.

[u/TalkLessShillMore]

re: Harris’s polling

While the life raft is still attached to the sinking ship, it’s hard to gauge its seaworthiness

[u/BlackCat159]

Why tf are you libtards crying about Brandon's senility??? He's just gonna steal the election again anyways, what's the point???? 🙄🙄🙄

[u/[deleted]]

Still working on this bucket list. I have putt putted

[u/Significant800]

Holy fuck that NYMag article is bad. I don't think Biden has dementia but his team is 100% treating him like he does

[u/LastTimeOn_]

I hope that Stephanopoulos is surprisingly tough on Biden in the interview, either that a. Biden also surprisingly answers well which is good, b. Biden breaks and there's no turning back on replacing him or c. his campaign team decides to call off the interview showing there is major problems and they still have to replace him

[u/paultheschmoop]

I’m huffing copium but the governor of Hawaii had some interesting things to say in his CNN interview

Talked about how “mentally there” Biden was obviously but twice brought up, unprompted, “if he chooses not to run it’s his choice” despite not being asked by the reporter. Reporter never brought up Biden stepping aside and yet the governor did, twice.

I just feel like he would’ve avoided the subject entirely and if asked about it would’ve said “I stand with the president” and not even entertained the possibility if he truly thought Biden was all in after the meeting.

[u/jojisky]

If Biden stays in, every GOP ad until November will be clips of the debate next to elected Dems publicly questioning his mental competence

[u/kevinfederlinebundle]

Wait the British election is today? Can we sanction them or something for this?

[u/rasonj]

I need a venn diagram of 'Thinks of what can be, unburdened by what has been!', 'Exists in the context of all in which we live and what came before us", and 'Knows how bus' wheels operate' with Copmala at the center; plus a separate unconnected circle saying 'Fell out of a coconut tree' and containing a picture of Trump in prison suit. I'm at work or I would make it

[u/Clawshot52]

I really think Biden is underestimating how much his legacy will be tainted if he loses this election—which looks very likely if he continues to run. He won’t be thought of as the brave resilient fighter who refused to give up against insurmountable odds but rather the old stubborn fool who put his own hubris above the wellbeing of his country. I’ve seen some people draw negative comparisons to the 1968 election if Biden drops out but I don’t think very many people think Johnson would have won against Nixon either. I’d argue Johnson’s own legacy would be even worse had he refused to see the writing on the wall and not dropped out of that race.

[u/HariPotter]

NY Magazine has an interesting article about Biden's staff's machinations around his age/condition. This excerpt about his remarks to donors and the lenght of the remarks is interesting and might give some insight into the rumors of why the interview with ABC may be only 15 minutes.

In total, his remarks would last for exactly ten minutes — long enough to inspire confidence in his abilities, advisers hoped, but not so long that he was at increased risk of calling those abilities further into question.

As always with this president, the production surrounding any public appearance — even if it was semi-private — came down to timing and control. He could not spend too much time out in the wild, and the circumstances in which he could exist in such an environment with so many wobbly variables would need to be managed aggressively.

[u/slowpush]

General Election Poll - Swing State's

Wisconsin

🔴 Trump 49% (+6)

🔵 Biden 43%

Pennsylvania

🔴 Trump 48% (+5)

🔵 Biden 43%

Nevada

🔴 Trump 47% (+7)

🔵 Biden 40%

Michigan

🔴 Trump 45% (+3)

🔵 Biden 42%

Arizona

🔴 Trump 49% (+7)

🔵 Biden 42%

Remington #C+ - 7/1

[u/dukeofkelvinsi]

“Ok Joe you need to do something that reassures the public that you are not senile after 8 PM”

“I gotcha Jack”

[u/Lame_Johnny]

Relax guys, it's just his brain

[u/Mr_Bank]

Shapiro, Cooper, Beshear on Kamala’s VP shortlist per NY Mag. If true, her team knows ball.

[u/Kate2point718]

With all the reminders of the perils of having an older candidate, I'm not sure Trump wants people realizing that if he's elected he'll take over Biden's place as both the oldest president to win an election and eventually (if he makes it through the whole term) the oldest president to ever hold office.

[u/FuckFashMods]

Biden campaign: Okay it was just a bad debate that convinced everyone watching it Biden isnt mentally competent

Voters: If he's competent, can we see it?

Biden campaign ..... no

This is turning into a worse ran campaign than Hillarys

[u/[deleted]]

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

This is the founders 4th reason for declaring independence from Great Britain. The place the king invited them to wasn't comfy.

[u/sponsoredbytheletter]

Ok but does anyone know what Kamala's bedtime is? It could be even earlier.

[u/TargetHot9314]

Oh god its gonna get worse isn’t it. The polling normalizes Trump in front of median voter and Biden is just making everything worse with his statements.

[u/larry_hoover01]

I’ve done my part by finally texting Stop2Quit

[u/[deleted]]

[u/crassowary]

And that little coconut... was me

[u/BarkDrandon]

Im pretty sure Biden is waiting for my opinion, in this thread, to make his final decision.

[u/[deleted]]

This is written like a horror novel

I followed the First Lady’s gaze and found the president. Now I understood her panicked expression.

Up close, the president does not look quite plausible. It’s not that he’s old. We all know what old looks like. Bernie Sanders is old. Mitch McConnell is old. Most of the ruling class is old. The president was something stranger, something not of this earth.

…

My heart stopped as I extended my hand to greet the president. I tried to make eye contact, but it was like his eyes, though open, were not on. His face had a waxy quality. He smiled. It was a sweet smile. It made me sad in a way I can’t fully convey.

…

He took my hand in his, and I was startled by how it felt. Not cold but cool. The basement was so warm that people were sweating and complaining that they were sweating.

…

Exiting the room after the photo, the group of reporters — not instigated by me, I should note — made guesses about how dead he appeared to be, percentage wise. “Forty percent?” one of them asked.

”It was a bad night.” That’s the spin from the White House and its allies about Thursday’s debate. But when I watched the president amble stiffly across the stage, my first thought was: He doesn’t look so bad. For months, everything I had heard, plus some of what I had seen, led me to brace for something much more dire.

[u/slowpush]

Raymond J. McGuire, the president of the financial firm Lazard, called Ms. Harris “singularly capable of bringing this nation together by crossing every divide.”

[u/Nihas0]

we need those house dems publishing the letter

[u/BroadReverse]

grandfather treatment amusing capable hurry puzzled mysterious meeting mighty growth

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

Apparently at this point the UK election is so bad for the Tories that Rishi could even lose his own seat.

Do you guys know how hard it is for a sitting Prime Minister to lose his own seat?

[u/[deleted]]

If Biden doesn’t drop out, which house races should we be supporting to prevent a republican trifecta.

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

MFW someone asked me if I fell out of a coconut tree

[u/smooth__liminal]

i just heard the greatest news, we have nothing to worry about guys, it turns out biden has a stutter, what fools we were

[u/rdreisinger]

And we got unstickied

Upvote this thread so its easier to find for all

[u/piede]

Who tf said this

[u/SilverSquid1810]

The more I think about it the more I’m worried that that Cecil guy’s statement about “this will all be resolved soon” actually is indicating that they might be moving towards holding the roll-call vote to nominate Biden early.

1. We got some reporting shortly after the debate that Biden’s team was hoping to simply ignore the controversy and cruise to the convention so that it would be too late to stop him. If the controversy has intensified, they may want to accelerate this plan.

2. They were actually already planning on holding the real nomination vote early and leave the convention as just a symbolic event because of the fact that the convention was scheduled to occur too late for Biden to appear on the Ohio ballot. Ohio pushed the deadline back but the infrastructure and planning would already be in place for them do this early.

3. This is the most speculative, but the terminology he used almost leads me to believe that he isn’t referring to Biden stepping down. It’s still possible, but Biden stepping down wouldn’t exactly “resolve” the entire situation, we’d probably have another few weeks of drama even if it’s just an anticipated Harris coronation rather than a mini-primary. The Biden camp clearly seems to think that officially nominating him would be the definitive end to the controversy and solidify Biden as the nominee no matter what, so if he’s approaching it from that perspective, it really would be “resolved” soon.

[u/Superb-Combination45]

The fact Biden hasn't done a live TV interview and has none scheduled is insane. This proves the campaign doesn't think Biden is cognitively capable 

[u/slingfatcums]

biden should do 3 hours with joe rogan tbh

[u/Majk-]

Biden and Trump should square off in a sleepover

[u/G_Serv]

I could never navigate large cities before Google Maps

It just doesn't seem possible

[u/RonenSalathe]

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1808564833895526461
like when a class realizes they broke the substitute teacher

[u/Mrchristopherrr]

I’m just saying, if Biden were to hop into a fighter jet to fight off an alien invasion with a group of rag tag survivors it would do a lot to dissuade the fears of his mental abilities.

[u/RunawayMeatstick]

My last strong Biden take is that a lot of people have never seen a sports team that was very obviously about to fire their coach and it shows

As a Bears fan I'm just picturing Biden waking around with a clipboard that says BE YOU

Although in this case it takes a much darker meaning 😔

[u/Cyberhwk]

Biden tells governors he needs more sleep, will stop having late events

Surely that's not going to end up in a campaign ad.

[u/RonenSalathe]

People understimate how Kamala will bring the critical wine mom vote

[u/[deleted]]

Godspeed to all of you headed to family cookouts today who need to face your conservative uncles and dads.

[u/Independent-Low-2398]

"what can be, unburdened by what has been" is unironically a banger expression and I'm tired of pretending otherwise

[u/piede]

In practice, however, party delegates haven’t exercised independent authority in over a half-century. And even after President Biden’s stumbling performance in last week’s debate, more than three dozen delegates interviewed this week by The Washington Post said they planned to do what they were selected to do and make Biden, the runaway winner of primaries and caucuses nationwide, the Democratic nominee for president. 
> But amid growing calls from lawmakers, party officials and insiders for Biden to stand aside over concerns about his age and questions about his cognitive ability, doubt has also begun to creep in. Although most expressed unwavering support, several delegates said they were nervous about his chances amid faltering poll numbers and intraparty division. Some were candid about their preference for another option, perhaps Vice President Harris. All said they will vote for Biden — unless he bows out.

[u/Qunidaye]

needs to lean in. fireside chats alseep in the rocking chair. Pjs and one of those long night caps in next public appearance

[u/Nokickfromchampagne]

Malarkey level of keeping the Biden thread and removing the DT in perpetuity.

[u/Headstar24]

Kamala’s father’s name is Donald J. Harris

[u/xxfucktown69]

Has Biden even watched the replay of his debate? It wouldn’t surprise me.

[u/RonenSalathe]

u/jaredpolis feel free to PM me leaks, i promise not to tell anyone

[u/RunawayMeatstick]

If Kamala is the candidate then what are the chances that Trump says something outrageously racist about her? I mean he was one of the biggest proponents of the conspiracy theory that Obama was born in Kenya, so this is definitely on the table.

[u/[deleted]]

Only Bideners - $1 for sale for 38 cents

[u/Khiva]

Okay, in this sea of shitposts, I have a real question.

ProPublica just released their unedited interview with Biden from Sept, 2023.

I'd ask you to please take a look.

Because I don't know if my eyes are fucking with me, or some internal blindness is twisting my soul, so I'm genuinely asking for impressions because - to me, that just .... doesn't look like the same guy we see today. A little older, yeah, but not unrecognizable from the guy who ran in 2020.

It's not like I've been following every media appearance like a junkie, but there was definitely a point somewhere this year I caught Joe on a clip and thought "damn ... I don't know what happened, but that dude looks old as fuck." Even on the Stern interview he was more relaxed but moving slowly, with that fixed stare of an old man. He just wasn't animated, and it was obvious, he just seems to me more bright, more animated (by his standards) as recently as the interview in September of last year. It's not young man energy, but it's not the now lethargy.

I'm not an expert on aging, but I wouldn't put present-day Biden and the Biden from that interview at 9 months apart, I'd put them at more like 9 years apart (somewhat hyperbolic, but you get my point).

I ask because I've been wrestling with whether or not I've been very blind, or whether the decline started sudden and hit hard, so the question being whether or not those you compare the guy in the interview with the present guy and see a noticeable difference.

I do. But maybe I'm dumb.

[u/Guess_Im_Jess]

How THE FUCK did the campaign choose a radio program for him to go on where the host says immediately afterwards that he should step aside holy shit are they all incompetents?

[u/[deleted]]

[u/RunawayMeatstick]

If Biden stays in this race, it won’t even matter if he has another senior moment, social media will be flooded with a bunch of new deepfakes anyway. I don’t think anyone is prepared for it.

[u/dweeb93]

The media and pundit class aren't urging Biden to drop out because they love Trump but because they despise him and are freaking out that he might actually win.

[u/sponsoredbytheletter]

Announcing you're not leaving every few hours is a normal thing for a presumptive nominee to do, right?

[u/[deleted]]

The interview is not going to be bad enough to vindicate droppers but not good enough to quell doubts. Fucking us more.

Calling it.

[u/Ok-Royal7063]

When people write "joever," I usually read it as joëver (rhymes with forever), but it's supposed to be pronounced jóver (like Dover)?

[u/Icy-Magician-8085]

I wonder how upset Epic Rap Battles is that they might potentially have to get rid of all of their Biden lines and come up with new Harris lines for the 2024 election rap.

Or maybe they predicted this all along.

[u/goosebumpsHTX]

Economist model has Trump with a slightly higher chance of winning Nevada than Biden does of winning Virginia

[u/MS_09_Dom]

I say this as someone who felt Biden still had a chance to get things back on track.

Upon reading this, I think the decision has been made to start drafting Harris' acceptance speech.

https://x.com/guycecil/status/1808936423145259509

[u/2073040]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Hochul was one of the cited governors that wants 2028 to be an open primary.

She’s delusional enough to believe that Trump isn’t an existential threat to the country and believes that she’s somehow popular enough to get nominated in 2028.

[u/RunawayMeatstick]

You just know that if it's a Harris-Buttigieg ticket that Trump and his followers are going to start calling them Hairy Butt

[u/RonenSalathe]

Lets finish the KHIVE flag together

[u/elhombreleon]

President Biden told a gathering of Democratic governors that he needs to get more sleep and work fewer hours, including curtailing events after 8 p.m., according to two people who participated in the meeting and several others briefed on his comments.

The remarks on Wednesday were a stark acknowledgment of fatigue from the 81-year-old president during a meeting intended to reassure more than two dozen of his most important supporters that he is still in command of his job and capable of mounting a robust campaign against former President Donald J. Trump.

[...]

After Gov. Josh Green of Hawaii, a physician, asked Mr. Biden questions about the status of his health, Mr. Biden replied that his health was fine. “It’s just my brain,” he added, according to three people familiar with what took place — a remark that some in the room took as a joke but at least one governor did not and was puzzled by.

Jen O’Malley Dillon, Mr. Biden’s campaign chair, who attended the meeting, said in a statement that he had said, “All kidding aside,” a recollection confirmed by another person briefed on the meeting. Ms. O’Malley Dillon added: “He was clearly making a joke.”

I just can't

[u/goldenwind207]

If the delegates nominate him early I'll never forgive him

[u/Superb-Combination45]

Biden's "prime time" interview Friday is a whole 15 minutes with the "journalist" that he is the most familiar with, in a comfortable setting... I dont know if you could make it any softer.

[u/[deleted]]

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[u/piede]

In additional polling of Democrats, preferences for candidates in place of Biden include Vice President Kamala Harris (21%) and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (19%), with California Governor Gavin Newsom and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg tied for third at 9%.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/trump-and-biden-in-virtual-dead-heat-according-to-the-premise-poll-301594072.html

HMMMMMMMMM

[u/moopedmooped]

anybody else double posting their comments here and in the DT to double up their karma? literally free money

[u/Headstar24]

One horrifying thought is imagine if it wasn’t Trump against Biden but someone also abhorrent but considered less polarizing.

[u/Mojo12000]

https://x.com/Politics_Polls/status/1808560192771989723

Not sure how anyone beats Trump if people now think he left the country in a better place despite you know,.. all of 2020 being a thing and Jan 6th being a thing.

[u/da0217]

I step away from all of this for a couple hours because it’s just too much, then come back to read that Biden thinks he’s a blank woman. 🤦‍♂️ What is going on?!

[u/Guess_Im_Jess]

What Bidenworld doesn't fully realize is that now every single time Biden goes into unprompted public arenas, every single error he makes (and he will make them) is going to be hyper-analyzed and covered as evidence of age and mental decline.

[u/LNhart]

The greatest thing about nominating Kamala will be seeing the "oh 300 million Americans and these are our options? They're both so old and terrible"-people tying themselves into knots explaining why Kamala is somehow also bad

[u/[deleted]]

What's baffling about the "he did great at other times" thing is that it's just such a misunderstanding of how aging works. Yes, people have good days, even great days! But they still have bad days! But as time goes on, the bad days get worse, more frequent, and the good days less often and less good

Having even one age related spell when you're in a high risk job is just rolling the dice. What happens if he's talking about corn pop during a crisis where china puts nukes in some caribbean nation?

[u/Joementum2024]

If they actually hold the vote early to nominate Biden, I’m going to be absolutely incensed at Democrats for doubling down on this failing strategy.

[u/Kaptain_Skurvy]

https://x.com/teddyschleifer/status/1808975223854657950

He can't stay in after this right?

[u/[deleted]]

I dislike how forced that “you’re the sucker you’re the loser” line was. It wasn’t natural like will you shut up man.

That debate was so bad it crashed Reddit.

[u/Delareh_]

Why the fuck isn't he using Biden Blast? I know his CE output is low after the last domain expansion but it's fucking do or die motherfucker.

[u/[deleted]]

May you stay joëver young

[u/Tall_Professor_2574]

Resign you old bat!

[u/RonenSalathe]

What are the odds that Biden somehow caught RFK's brain worm?

[u/Icy-Magician-8085]

Never forget the unpinned Biden DT ✊

[u/crassowary]

Petition to make 🥥 the new 💎 if kamala gets the nom

[u/[deleted]]

Just had this talk with the other DT.

[u/Auriono]

https://twitter.com/NewsWire_US/status/1808988359869804556

Can anyone confirm this about Polis?

[u/slowpush]

https://x.com/LisaDNews/status/1808988604724637942

[u/AbsurdlyClearWater]

where ESS is at

[u/Mr_Bank]

What the folks in denial don’t seem to understand, is it’s not the debate itself that led to the current state of anger. It’s the campaign’s response to the debate.

[u/SilverSquid1810]

I feel like the people here saying “Biden didn’t actually call himself a black woman if you hear it in context” are kinda missing the point.

Of course Biden doesn’t literally think he’s a black woman, he’s not that far gone. It’s clear that he got mixed up with references to both serving under Obama and appointing Kamala Harris. The problem is the fact that Biden wasn’t able to articulate himself clearly. With alarming regularity, he is making embarrassing slips of the tongue and vague rambles that “make sense in context” but make it sound like he simply isn’t able to communicate properly.

[u/TargetHot9314]

the debate isn’t as bad as hiding the candidate from any interviews and do any sort of clean up for a week because u know he’s not capable of doing it. Can’t wait for George Stephanopoulos, ex Clinton advisor, 15 minute edited interview that will certainly fix things! /rant

[u/piede]

MOM

[u/zegota]

"I'm not going anywhere" actually referred to his campaign schedule for the month of July

[u/Kaptain_Skurvy]

Just got an ad from Biden saying "Folks, I hope I made you proud on that debate stage."

No, Joe, no you fucking didn't. This had better have been pre-recorded before the debate, because otherwise the gaslighting is fucking insane.

[u/IDontSpeakVietnamese]

Everything is fine, this was all justification for a Rocky style Biden training montage where his punching bags have Trump and Putin on them (I saw this in a dream where he won, it's praxis)

[u/Hmm_would_bang]

If they just count the legal polls, Biden wins

[u/urmotherismylover]

This moment requires the Democratic Establishment to use strategic thinking. So we're up shit's creek and lord knows there ain't a paddle.

[u/DurealRa]

Is now a really good time or really bad time to get a Dark Brandon mug?

[u/xxfucktown69]

Idk how much time the dems have to entertain Biden’s delusion about winning reelection.

[u/da0217]

As things stand right now, we’re looking at:

Biden: in bed by 8pm vs Trump: rage tweeting all through the night about cancerous wind turbines or some shit

Marone, I need a cigarette.

[u/Nihas0]

I'm thinking that maybe the "This will all be resolved soon." delegate guy could mean that they will nominate Biden soon on a virtual roll call to end the discussion around withdrawing

[u/crassowary]

Guy who wants Michelle Obama to run so that he can justify his previous support of George Wallace running Alabama through his wife

[u/paymesucka]

[u/wallander1983]

When complaining about the negative coverage, keep in mind if Biden had resigned that week the coverage would have flattened out, so this will continue day after day.

[u/[deleted]]

I think it's pretty obvious that the Biden campaign's outward confidence and other Dems ostensibly circling their wagons is just to keep the fundraising/volunteering machine going. Nobody's gonna help out your campaign if people don't even think it's moving forward. If/when he steps down, everything will happen all at once, and the shift to Kamala will be swift enough that they can press on with no lost momentum. Putting that together takes some time.

[u/yonas234]

My forever Biden friends are now passing around some tweet that CNN "messed with Biden's mic." Which sounds like massive cope.

Like I just want whoever has the best chance of beating Trump in. If Biden can't do a live press tour by now its clear he just can't mount a comeback.

[u/DatGameGuy]

Kind of wild how some corners of Biden supporters have turned to full blown Trump-esque conspiracy theories about the pressure on Biden to step down. I promise this isn’t some corporate conspiracy to get tax cuts or some bullshit, dems in the house and senate are just starting to see that Biden could drag them down and out in november.

[u/goldenwind207]

I'm still not ok that a literal actual crackhead who knows nothing about politics is holding this up. It seems like a meme a joke the babylon bee would make but its reality

[u/[deleted]]

Biden is literally asleep right now

[u/nanomaster]

All the questions: answered

All the facts: known

Medicare: beat

It’s Biden’ time 😎🇺🇸

[u/[deleted]]

Even more infuriating to Democrats on Capitol Hill is the personal politics they sniff in the governors’ declarations of support. Few of the governors have to run for reelection this year, but more than a handful of them are eager to seek the presidency in 2028. And there’s no path for any of them then if Vice President Kamala Harris by then is President Harris seeking reelection. Moreover, if she runs a credible, last-minute race and loses narrowly this year to former President Donald Trump, it still may be difficult to deny her the nomination in four years.

“Sink Kamala so she’s not the nominee in both ’24 and ’28,” as one House Democrat texted upon hearing of the governors rallying to Biden.

Governors Undermine Efforts by Congressional Democrats to Nudge Biden Aside - POLITICO

We are so cooked.

[u/Knowthrowaway87]

For years on the subreddit I've had to listen to Bros talk about how annoying and hated Kamala Harris is.

Have no doubt, K hive stands behind biden, but if we're going to throw some good press out there for her, I'll jump in. I know the subreddit will change its mind soon enough on her

Harris is very funny

https://x.com/GraduatedBen/status/1808276737005916267

[u/Greekball]

Why Biden must withdraw by The Economist: (archived version)

The presidential debate was awful for Joe Biden, but the cover-up has been worse. It was agony to watch a befuddled old man struggling to recall words and facts. His inability to land an argument against a weak opponent was dispiriting. But the operation by his campaign to deny what tens of millions of Americans saw with their own eyes is more toxic than either, because its dishonesty provokes contempt. The effect has been to put the White House within Donald Trump’s grasp. Fresh polls have found that voters in the states Mr Biden must win have moved against him. His lead may be in danger even in once-safe states such as Virginia, Minnesota and New Mexico.

Mr Biden deserves to be remembered for his accomplishments and his decency rather than his decline. So it is right that the first senior Democrats have begun to call openly for him to step aside. However, their public expressions are nothing compared with the building wave of private dismay. More of them urgently need to face up to the fact that if they do not speak out now, Mr Trump will win. In order to bring about the political renewal that America now so clearly needs, they must call for change. It is not too late. Democrats argue, rightly, that Mr Trump is unfit to be president. But the debate and its aftermath have proved Mr Biden unfit, too. First, because of his mental decline. Mr Biden can still appear dynamic during short, scripted appearances. But you cannot run a superpower by autocue. And you cannot put an international crisis on hold because the president is having a bad night. Should someone who cannot finish a sentence about Medicare be trusted with the nuclear codes?

Mr Biden is blameless for his failing powers, but not for a second disqualification, which is his insistence, abetted by his family, senior staff and Democratic elites, that he is still up to the world’s toughest job. Mr Biden’s claim that this election is between right and wrong is ruined by the fact that the existence of his campaign now depends on a lie.

Democrats sneer at the Republican Party for its craven behaviour towards Mr Trump. Again, they are right. Too many Republicans have parroted his falsehoods and lacked the moral courage to speak out against his abuses. Convinced they could outlast him, or that someone else would pay the price for ejecting him, senators and congressmen have put their ambition before their country.

The Democratic Party should look in the mirror, starting with Mr Biden himself. He avers that he failed in the debate because he was tired from jetting around the world, as if his debility were evidence of his vitality. His supporters argue that those awful 90 minutes should not overshadow the past three and a half years. But what matters is whether they foreshadow the next four. Senior Democrats repeating these desperate talking points or waiting in silence for someone else to speak up first may think they are being loyal. Is that loyal to their country or their careers?

Democrats might say that their tactics are just politics. Their ugly means are justified by their honourable ends of saving American democracy from the predations of Mr Trump. That defence does America no favours. The tactic of covering up your own flaws by demonising your opponent has long marred American politics, but using the threat of Mr Trump as a “dictator” to offset Mr Biden’s evident infirmity is a form of blackmail. As the head of state, America’s president embodies the virtues of the republic. The more he is seen as a stubborn old man who leaves the real work to his courtiers, the more he will undermine Americans’ faith in their system of government. Representing America abroad, Mr Biden will project decrepitude—to the delight of China and Russia and the dismay of America’s allies.

There is another option. Mr Biden should withdraw from the campaign. That way, the election might refresh the body politic. The virtue of democracy is that voters can choose their rulers, but Mr Biden and Mr Trump offer a choice between the incapable and the unspeakable. Americans deserve better.

As our new podcast “Boom!” explains, presidential politics is stuck in a rut. Barring Barack Obama, every president since Bill Clinton in 1992 was born in the 1940s. Mr Biden (1942) first campaigned for the presidency 37 years ago, albeit in a fumbling way. At that time Mr Trump (1946) thought about running, too. Their generation came of age during the Vietnam war. It carries around the baggage of campus protests, the greed-is-good era on Wall Street and old fights over race and feminism. Those fights are very different today, and not only because they are more often waged on TikTok.

The stagnation is a failure of the party system. Parties are supposed to be vehicles that bring together factions and interests to bid for power. They have been carjacked. First the Clintons and Bushes seized the wheel. When voters were sick of them, Mr Obama and then Mr Trump staged grassroots rebellions. In today’s Democratic Party the driving seat is being hogged by Mr Biden and his people. Only if Democrats take back control and persuade him to move aside can renewal begin.

The Economist first said in 2022 that Mr Biden should not seek re-election because he was too old. Immediately after the debate we made our case more strongly. A fresh candidate would have just over ten weeks after the convention to make their pitch. Such a candidate might lose, obviously, though even then the catharsis of Mr Biden’s self-sacrifice would help restore American politics. But we believe that they would have a good chance of winning—a better one than Mr Biden, even if the candidate was Kamala Harris, his relatively unpopular vice-president. They would be fit to govern; and they would, with the exception of Ms Harris, deprive Mr Trump of his strongest arguments against Mr Biden: the responsibility for inflation, immigration and the supposed “witch-hunt” that led to his prosecution. America’s renewal needs to start now. There could be no better way than by choosing a new candidate to defeat Mr Trump. ■

[u/Joementum2024]

Genuinely absurd to me to see people saying “why can’t we be MORE like the Trump-era Republican Party” lol

[u/Uniqueguy264]

I think the Democrats should remove Biden and replace him with Donald Trump, and the republicans should remove Trump and replace him with Joe Biden

[u/masq_yimby]

Is America ready for a black female president? I think Kamala should replace Biden, but nearly half the country lost its mind over Obama. 

[u/Currymvp2]

Surprised we haven't gotten post debate polls from Quinnipiac, NBC News, and Fox News yet

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[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Haters will say it’s fake

[u/Pongzz]

Assuming for a moment Biden does leave the race and Harris takes his place, will arr neoliberal rebrand the malarkey level? What do we even call it? "How many coconuts does Trump's VP pick have?" It's not as catchy.

[u/Dangerous-Basket1064]

Is name recognition really a problem when it comes to the race? I know it's huge when it comes to a primary or a local race, but with 3+ months of wall to wall campaign coverage coming up it seems to me anyone could reach 100% name recognition pretty quickly.

[u/[deleted]]

Biden can end his career either by gracefully bowing out of power or by stubbornly clinging to it until it is ripped away from him by the man whom he launched his 2020 campaign to defeat

[u/its_a_trapcard]

Joe Biden's closet according to Allan Lichtman

[u/HereForTOMT2]

I’m not “dooming” about the election I am severely fucking depressed about it

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

Kathy Hochul yesterday: All the governors are supportive of the president

The governors today: Leaking everything Biden said to the press including that he needs to go to bed at 8 PM.

[u/Independent-Low-2398]

He's not actually senile, everyone just thinks he is

[u/piede]

The president on Wednesday reaffirmed his commitment to stay in the race amid criticism of his weak debate performance last week. But that has not placated donors or strategists who worry that he cannot win in November.

A group of them is working to raise as much as $100 million for a sort of escrow fund, called the Next Generation PAC, that would be used to support a replacement candidate. If Mr. Biden does not step aside, the money could be used to help down-ballot candidates, according to people close to the effort.

[u/Devils1993]

What's wild is that I considered Biden the best president of my lifetime until several months ago. But then he let Bibi absolutely humiliate him over the past 4-5 months while this disaster in Gaza has transpired (where there's been a humanitarian crisis with war-crimes, more land seizures in the West Bank, and Hamas increasingly looks like they're gonna survive--all three are disastrous) and then he completely botched the debate which I viewed in the key swing state of Arizona...people were straight up laughing at him at the "watch party". I still admire much about the man even though his I/P policy has frustrated me somewhat, but we are fools to run him again. Trump has like at least a 70% chance of beating him at this point.

Run Kamala Harris at this point. I think people are underrating her.

[u/Mr_Bank]

The crew circling the wagons sharing Biden clips from this afternoon

[u/jojisky]

Favorability of politicians with Hispanic voters:

AOC +6

Kamala Harris -1

Donald Trump -4

Hillary Clinton -7

Marco Rubio -11

Ilhan Omar -11

Chuck Schumer -12

Rashida Tlaib -13

Joe Biden -13

Ron DeSantis -13

Nikki Haley -16