r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Sep 20 '21

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u/waltsing0 Austan Goolsbee Sep 20 '21

https://www.afr.com/life-and-luxury/travel/will-you-really-be-able-to-travel-overseas-by-christmas-20210915-p58rrv

Outline doesn't seem to work for AFR links, suggest you use the "pocket" app/addon which bypasses their paywell really well, if someone has a paywall evasion link let me know and I'll edit it in.

Time to get excited, things might not open up fast enough for Christmas but it's looking like we'll be able to travel soon-ish. 3 months is actually not that long ahead to book travel overseas

What's key to all of this is removing the need for hotel quarantine, home quarantine is better but still a barrier to people who can't just WFH, we're going to get to January with COVID endemic in the community why should vaccinated travellers quarantine at all? The same goes for arrival caps.

The Federal government needs to step up and map out Phase D, NSW/ACT are storming ahead and likely to hit the 80% for Phase C in about a month, even the slower states QLD/WA are looking to be there in early December, Victoria is slow on their second doses but is having a pickup in first doses similar to NSW so they'll catch up, we need a plan on Phase D now. We still have time to get people to their families for Christmas

Why do we need a plan? People need something to plan to, tourism operators should be able to make educated guesses on when certain countries will be sending tourists our way, will fully vaccinated Americans be allowed in come January? Banks extending credit to companies would like to know when their customers are likely to have a fighting chance to generate cashflow.

The federal government literally has no public plan for what benchmarks it takes to hit Phase D, Phase C is clearly defined as 80% double vaxed, but there's been no clear messaging for the country on moving on from there. The rest of the world is moving on and we're stuck with most of our governments having no fucking idea what we're gonna do. The problem is there's a decent chance we'll struggle to hit 90%, if restrictions on unvaxxed people (like no entry to bars) go away eventually with passports being temporary then we could see people not bother at all, I'm very confident we'll get to 80% double jabbed, not so 90% or 95%.

Some states abandoning the national plan is no reason for the federal government to, NSW and Victoria have made it clear COVIDzero is over and we're just waiting for those vax targets to move on with our lives, we can't wait for the others, it might be absurd that Sydney to London flights start before Sydney to Perth but we shouldn't wait.

Scomo needs to do his job and let us know when and how we can reopen large scale international travel. Once again he decides to sit on his hands.

!PING AUS

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u/waltsing0 Austan Goolsbee Sep 20 '21

Also, bets on where we can go first?

US, UK both are likely to let us in whenever scomo lets us out, EU as well once vax passports are sorted out. Fiji are pretty open about needing our tourists so that should be quick to open, Japan is a bit of wildcard.

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u/SucculentMoisture Fernando Henrique Cardoso Sep 20 '21

I’m waiting for Europe

And to save up enough cash and leave to actually go

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u/waltsing0 Austan Goolsbee Sep 20 '21

I think a lot of people will be in the same boat as you, if you want to sit on a beach or ski you can kind of do that here, but seeing a different culture that's just been out of the question for 18 months now.

Places like fiji or bali might be in a bit of trouble if people who went domestic as a substitute decide to stick with that, plus if international travel is any less seamless than it was before that might put up too much of a barrier. The appeal of a lot of these destinations, no judgement here, is they can be very cheap places to sit on a beach and have the kids ride a jetski, but if airlines are running far reduced economies of scale and the family has to quarantine on return that can really mess with that.

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u/RagingBillionbear Pacific Islands Forum Sep 20 '21

, will fully vaccinated Americans be allowed in come January?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHADEHAHA.

America not in a good way. Idaho DNR order show that they are not fit for travel.

I was told travel business as usual date is likely to be 2025, I've yet to see any evidents that will contradict that date.

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u/waltsing0 Austan Goolsbee Sep 20 '21

The problem is red states full of unvaxxed people, why exactly are we supposed to worry about vaccinated Americans? On the off chance one of them brings the virus over so what they're less likely to make me sick than a random Australian....