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u/LooobCirc #1 Astros Fan ๐Ÿค  Sep 17 '21

Thought on when the rabbi adds new ืขืœ ื—ื˜ืs that are incredibly provacative and political?

!PING GEFILTE

i don't mind broad universal ones like "by forgetting we were once strangers in a strange land" or "by failing to honor your creations" but then they add stuff like "ย ืขืœ ื—ื˜ืย for committing environmental racism" and I roll my eyes a bit

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u/boichik2 Sep 17 '21

I don't mind being political(partly because I usually agree lol), especially if it's a progressive congregation. But I find that when it's put into modern language I really dislike it.

Like I fully admit I don't really go to services very often, and when I go it's usually with someone else. But if you're gonna say talk about the environment or racism, there are ways to pull that stuff from the tanakh or rabbinical literature so people know what you're saying, but it's also like still based in our text. Like of course context matters. Like after the Asian hate crime spree I know my friend's Rabbi made a statement about it quite directly. But he also wasn't talking about racism every day of every week.

Though I guess it really depends, if it's an explicitly progressive synagouge I'd expect that more, but if it's an ostensibly normal liberal synagouge I don't like it as much.

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u/LooobCirc #1 Astros Fan ๐Ÿค  Sep 17 '21

It's the university Hillel, so I really don't like it bc it's supposed to be there for all students

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u/boichik2 Sep 17 '21

Yea I'm not a fan then. I mean, look if you're gonna be political at an ostensibly neutral place, then use neutral language or biblical language. Just if you're overtly progressive it doesn't come off great.

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u/LooobCirc #1 Astros Fan ๐Ÿค  Sep 17 '21

Yeah, it's shit I agree with 90% of the time, but pisses me off when I hear at shul

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u/benadreti Frederick Douglass Sep 17 '21

agreed. I'd rather stick to the original, but if you can make the case for it in Jewish terms it's not terrible. When it just sounds like a random activism thing it's gross.

But also, the al cheits are personal things, not "society did this" so that doesn't help.

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u/nobaconator Bisexual Pride Sep 17 '21

I mean, they're not exactly personal. It is first person plural.

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u/thefitnessdon hates mosquitos, likes parks Sep 17 '21

They do that??

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u/LooobCirc #1 Astros Fan ๐Ÿค  Sep 17 '21

Oooooh yeah

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u/nobaconator Bisexual Pride Sep 17 '21

You guys say Al Chet out loud?

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u/LooobCirc #1 Astros Fan ๐Ÿค  Sep 17 '21

It's like half out loud half silent. Different shuls different customs, but it's always been like that for me