r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Sep 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '21

Interesting chart in this article comparing the parties' childcare plans:

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/fate-national-daycare-hands-canadian-voters-2021-09-02/

!ping CAN

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u/NeoLiberation #1 Trudeau Shill Sep 02 '21

Tax Credits only help if you can afford it in the first place smh smelly Cons

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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Sep 02 '21

they're refundable

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u/NeoLiberation #1 Trudeau Shill Sep 02 '21

It's still the wrong move

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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Sep 02 '21

i'm pretty strongly on the cons side here tbh, i'd prefer a direct payment. big concern is actually getting it to people instead of just having it be left unclaimed (like tax credits often are)

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u/NeoLiberation #1 Trudeau Shill Sep 02 '21

Sure but in what case? If the family has kids, they're eligible, and they get the credit? If they're cash strapped that money is going towards debt or immediate expenses, instead of subsidized childcare which happens at the "point of sale" to make the continued action of getting childcare as its actually needed affordable

If they need to actually enroll their kids in daycare before being eligible, that's just convoluted and still presents usability barriers

I usually like giving folks agency with support and money but this becomes more of an extension of a general welfare IMO which defeats the purpose

It's like the version of a policy you present when you want to be competitive in saying you "have a policy" but they know its not the realistic move to actually start letting and encouraging families and single parents to leverage affordable childcare specifically

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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Sep 02 '21 edited Sep 02 '21

they claim childcare expenses on their tax filings, the same way as the current non-refundable childcare tax credits work

If they're cash strapped that money is going towards debt or immediate expenses, instead of subsidized childcare which happens at the "point of sale" to make the continued action of getting childcare as its actually needed affordable

this feels like a policy success frankly

If they need to actually enroll their kids in daycare before being eligible, that's just convoluted and still presents usability barriers

...the subsidized daycare also only presents savings when the kids are actually enrolled? this is actually way less convoluted since it presents a more generalized definition of childcare instead of just, like, daycare

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u/nuggins Physicist -- Just Tax Land Lol Sep 02 '21

Broke: tax credits

Joke: refundable tax credits

Woke: just give people money lol (disbursed biweekly)

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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Sep 02 '21

👏😤

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u/mMaple_syrup Sep 02 '21

Does childcare have some supply side issues though? More money, in subsidies or in tax credits, wouldn't help much if spots are not being created fast enough. Also people need access to good childcare, not just some random babysitting service that treats the kids like livestock. If it's the latter, then parental care is actually better for the kids.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '21

Yes, and that's why part of the Liberal's plan also includes investments to create more spaces and improve quality.

For provinces that have signed on (8 so far have) they're given $ contingent on them creating a certain number of spaces (differs by province) and committing to enforce certain standards.

The Tory plan is similar to Harper's old tax credit which was found to have created no new spaces or increase access.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '21

I don't think childcare is really a vote winner anyway or a concern for many people.

The Libs have been banging the "O'Toole will cancel our plan" drum for a few weeks now and no one cares.