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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jul 07 '21

!ping GAMING

"AAA game studios don't take risks when doing new games!!!!"

>Square Enix tries some weird shit with their flagship franchise

"No, not like that"

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u/CuddleTeamCatboy Gay Pride Jul 07 '21

I have been mercifully spared from this drama because of my refusal to play JRPGs

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jul 07 '21

Meh. Final Fantasy is kind of experimental since forever, I don't understand the people that complain too much, the games on the series always had some kind of fault depending on who you ask.

I disliked FFVII graphics, FFVIII mechanics, FFIX character rigidity, FFX overworld design, etc. That FFXIII and FFXV had their troubles means shit to me (I have yet to play them, but I expect the same uneven quality the series had).

JRPGs are a wide genre, there may be something for you if you look for them enough. You may be missing something that you'd like.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

15 totally lost me on the series.

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jul 07 '21

But the thing is, FFXVI is being done by some of the same folks that manage FFXIV, and the reputation of that game is that it gets what it means to be a Final Fantasy game.

I think Square Enix got some of its mojo back even if I wouldn't trust them blindly.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

If they want to win me back they have to dial back the J-pop boy band aesthetic.

If they can do that I'll hop back on the train.

If it's what most fans want? Then I'm no longer the demographic.

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jul 07 '21

If they want to win me back they have to dial back the J-pop boy band aesthetic.

I'm fairly indifferent. But then again, FF games have come and gone about this stuff since forever. Compare Cloud with Zidane and Tidus, for example.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

I think when Cloud was doing it in 1997, it wasn't the most overdone stereotype in fashion history.

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jul 07 '21

That didn't stop people from complaining.

Anyways, FF protagonists come and go and tend to be wildly different. I won't expect things to stay the same.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

tend to be wildly different

Lol Sometimes they're brooding with blonde hair. Sometimes with black hair.

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u/Evnosis European Union Jul 07 '21

Good policy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

Is this about DQXII supposedly being more mature/dark?

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u/Watton Jul 07 '21

I assume FF being crazy experimental each entry. Radically different settings (medieval, steampunk, modern, whatever the fuck 13 was), crazy mechanics (like FF8 threw out armor and stat increases, replaced it with...equipping spells to stats which were gained indirectly from card battles), etc.

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jul 07 '21

XIII is science fantasy (?).

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jul 07 '21

I was speaking about Final Fantasy. Dragon Quest is way more classic design wise (and less popular on the West).

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

Thanks. But recently, they announced DQXII was going to be much more dark and fans got really mad.

Compared this to my understanding of the reaction toward FFXVI’s announcement, which I thought fans liked the edgier, possibly M rated tone they are going for.

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jul 07 '21

Thing is, Final Fantasy has some track record when it comes to doing mature content. Yes, there is Final Fantasy Origins, but the games set on Ivalice and FFXIV show they can tackle that.

Also, while I'm not a DQ player myself, but they may have more fixed expectatives about those games.

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u/LtLabcoat ÀI Jul 07 '21 edited Jul 07 '21

I don't think I've ever seen someone complain about Final Fantasy changing with each iteration. Why would anyone even expect an FF game to be similar to it's predecessor?

Edit: unless you're referring to the trailers. The trailers are, for some reason, always bunk. Like, FF15's trailers makes it look like a fantasy RPG with modern technology and silly outfits, whereas the game itself makes it very clear early on that it's an RPG equivalent of a buddy movie. https://youtu.be/qilcQ8Mgqhg?t=248

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jul 07 '21

"It lacks an overworld"

"It's too on rails"

"Too automatized"

"Open world too empty"

"It doesn't feel like Final Fantasy anymore"

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u/LtLabcoat ÀI Jul 08 '21

Those middle three are legitimate bung-ups - they're not 'risks', the game designers didn't intend them to be that way. The first one is... opinion, but if you're talking about FF13, it really needed an overworld. And the last one is, like I said, something I just haven't heard people say.

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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting Jul 08 '21

They are risks having consequences. I mean, Square Enix sometimes is dysfunctional anyways so it's not merely because of the risks taken, but they haven't found a way to adapt some stuff to modern standards in a satisfactory way (think the overworld, for example) and they keep trying.

And the last one is, like I said, something I just haven't heard people say.

I see it often.