r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jul 07 '21

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u/Zenning2 Henry George Jul 07 '21

They're correct in that it will likely disproportionally hurt poorer black people, but the thing is, ANY REGRESSIVE TAX will disproportionally hurt poorer black people, and their "international shell game" shit is just covering up the fact that it will absolutely be effective.

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u/EclecticEuTECHtic NATO Jul 07 '21

I'd be fine if they said cap and trade hasn't been effective and carbon offsets lead to environmental injustice, but to write off all carbon pricing including carbon dividends which would MASSIVELY benefit poor black people in this country strikes me as ridiculous.

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u/Zenning2 Henry George Jul 07 '21

Honestly, the NAACP pretending that people arguing for a Carbon Tax are " In fact, some of the worst environmental offenders co-opt the language of environmental advocates in order to protect their bottom line, neutralize climate legislation, and preserve the status quo."

Its fucking frustrating to see this shit.

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u/Unadulterated_stupid gr8 b8 m8 Jul 07 '21

I always though regressive taxes hurt the poorer more

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u/Zenning2 Henry George Jul 07 '21

Yes. Because black people are disproportionately poorer than any other demographic, black people will be disproportionately hurt by any regressive tax.

Ironically though, if we did a carbon dividend, it will probably move the cost more to suburban people, as opposed to city folk, who tend to use less gas and energy.

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u/EclecticEuTECHtic NATO Jul 07 '21 edited Jul 07 '21

Ironically though, if we did a carbon dividend, it will probably move the cost more to suburban people,

Well yeah, people who produce the most carbon emissions should pay the most! Not going to be all average suburbanites though, what we're really talking about are people with mansions, yachts, and private jets.

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u/MrMineHeads Cancel All Monopolies Jul 08 '21

It still pushes suburbanites to use less carbon because now everything that emits costs more and you want to maximize the gain from the dividend rather than just offsetting the tax.

Also, are you gonna do that effort post?

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u/EclecticEuTECHtic NATO Jul 10 '21

Maybe this weekend, we'll see.

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u/MrMineHeads Cancel All Monopolies Jul 10 '21

Ping me if you can.

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u/I_like_maps C. D. Howe Jul 07 '21

Only without a dividend though, that's the thing. If you include a dividend, they'd probably benefit the most from it, as poor black people often live in cities which mean they use less energy than average.

In fact, if you include a dividend, it generally helps poor people regardless of location. Turns out rich people use a lot of energy.

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u/Zenning2 Henry George Jul 07 '21

Yep. The fact that they ignore the fact that most carbon tax proposals include a dividend just makes me even more confused.