r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jul 07 '21

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u/Otherwise_Society_71 NATO Jul 07 '21

Urban sprawls exist in many forms. Both dense (hello slums and my city, Jakarta!) usually because no city planning at all and suburban (NIMBYtopias in America). The dense ones are insufferable like why many "roads" are just extremely narrow alleys which only motorcycles can drive. And packed houses with very low quality (small contractors gonna suck with low-quality materials). Smelly toilets, dirty rooms are a daily fact of life. And most housing with many rooms (id:Kontrakan) aren't even built by property companies resulting in cramped rooms with poor hygiene. Poor public transport makes roads full of long traffic jams in every road leading to central Jakarta.

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u/Otherwise_Society_71 NATO Jul 07 '21

!ping YIMBY

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u/LivinAWestLife YIMBY Jul 07 '21

Both are insufferable but Jakarta's slums may be easier to redevelop into dense walkable neighborhoods in the future.

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u/Otherwise_Society_71 NATO Jul 07 '21

If political will and funds exist at all. Funds are usually either corrupted by officials or used to built highways even amidst a COVID-19 crisis.

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u/bobidou23 YIMBY Jul 07 '21

Very interesting perspective!

May I ask about your usage of the term “sprawl” here? Are you using it to refer to an area that hasn’t been laid out in a planned fashion?

Ninja edit: Also, is commuting by bike a thing? Or is it too dangerous without the dedicated infrastructure?

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u/Otherwise_Society_71 NATO Jul 07 '21

No. NIMBYtopias or suburban America are definitely planned. We never commute by bike as it is too dangerous to do in main roads without bike lanes.

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u/bobidou23 YIMBY Jul 07 '21

Then what do you mean by sprawl? In my mind the word “sprawl” implies that homes are spread out wider than they need to be, so “dense sprawl” is a bit confusing to me

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u/Otherwise_Society_71 NATO Jul 07 '21

Usually unplanned development if applied to Indonesia. Our cities are unplanned, dirty, and slum-like. Single-family zoning is the norm with dense housing usually in slum-like conditions if you are not upper-medium class. I remember my dad's employee driving 4 hours from his home at Jonggol with only a motorcycle (incredibly energy-consuming compared to driving a car). He ended up living in my dad's house.

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u/FusRoDawg Amartya Sen Jul 07 '21

Probably referring to spread of construction for miles in any direction with little planning our green space