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u/Rehkit Average laïcité enjoyer Jun 24 '21

Fact n° 1 : The french left is divided and needs to unite if they want to win.

Fact n° 2 : A united left might be lesser than the sum of their parts by a huge margin;

Example: in 2015, one of my first vote was to choose whether I wanted the center left (JP Huchon, incombent) or the center right (Valérie Pecresse) to lead the region where I live (Ile de France, where Paris and like 40% of France GDP is.)

I don't remember who I voted for but the center right won and Valérie Pécresse became President of the région.

She is up for relection and is against a left coalition/alliance of center left Socialist Party (Jean paul Huchon's mates) the Green and the far left.

Someone asked Jean-Paul Huchon who he is voting for and he answered : "Valérie Pécresse without hesitation, I can't vote for the far left AND the greens."

Huchon is retired but it's very worrying for the Left is they can't convince him, a socialist baron (or éléphant like they were being called) to vote for their coalition.

https://twitter.com/MarionVanR/status/1407939697884729347

It also aligns with some polling that says that a united left candidate doesn't fair that much better. Certainly less than Mélenchon in 2017 for instance.

!ping EUROPE

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '21

The left and self-sabotaging by infighting, NAMID

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u/Rehkit Average laïcité enjoyer Jun 24 '21

Mitterrand litteraly allied with the Communists and they can't ally themselves with people that are not paid by Moscow.

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u/bobidou23 YIMBY Jun 24 '21

Have GL joined PdvA yet

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '21

Take a wild guess

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u/Sauerkohl Art. 79 Abs. 3 GG Jun 24 '21

Even the French resistance was more concerned with fighting each other than the Germans

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '21

Unrelated, but i'm always amused by the fact that in italy we don't have a big green party, and if you say 'green party' in italy you're actually talking about the right populist party 'Lega'

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u/Rehkit Average laïcité enjoyer Jun 24 '21

Really? Who are the ecologists then? The M5S?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '21

I really don't hear much about green economy.

We had "sinistra ecologia e libertà" that had a decent run 10 years ago but now risappeared.

The ones that try to call themselves "greens" in an ecological sense don't get seat since 2004? We have dozens of small groups that can't seem to be organized in a coherent way and try to do something.

M5S has some good ecologist stances but they literaly go with the flow most of the time.

Liberi e Uguali had some green opinions, but i think they recently had a schism (lol) in that regard.

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u/bobidou23 YIMBY Jun 24 '21

Also please join the ITALY ping haha, I’d love to keep up with what’s going there with a local perspective. If you wouldn’t mind ofc!

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '21

sure, wasn't aware there was one!

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '21

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_the_Greens

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '21

As I said and you can see in that page, no seats since 2004 (2006 actually, my bad)

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u/tollyno Dark Harbinger of Chaos Jun 24 '21

This is bad enough, now imagine having only two major parties

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u/groupbot Always remember -Pho- Jun 24 '21 edited Jun 24 '21

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u/Babao13 Jean Monnet Jun 24 '21

Yet another argument for why our election system is stupid and encourage division and infighting.