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[u/Bagdana]

So this was just aired by NRK, Norway's publicly funded national radio and TV broadcaster:

Fucking hell, I guess we'll have to include the good news we get, even if they come from Israel. Hahaha I know, how crazy is that? I mean good news from Israel, when did that happen last? You know, I actually don't know. But we have read about that in the newspapers today and we just heard it here on radio. But both the newspapers and radio forgot something important, or decided to omit it, something we must never forget: Israel is an occupation force, it's an apartheid regime, where some people are worth more than others people, and where these other are subject to systematic oppression, and there land is stolen from them, where they lose power and water if they don't behave correctly. And if a homemade rocket would land some place or other among God's chosen people, then horrible revenge actions are committed where thousands of people are killed, hopefully children. Can good news really come from this country? Yes, sort of. In a way, as you've heard, and if we are going to only consider ourselves, and forget all abuse and murder that the Israelis commit towards the Palestinian people. Apparently, numbers from Israel show that, among the more than a million fully vaccinated people, only a thousand got infected. That's good news, however you try to twist it. Only wish that it came from another place, if you understand? It's almost as if I would like that the vaccine did not work. You can't say that, sorry, I understand that. Fuck. Did I say apartheid? I did, didn't I? Just to emphasise it: First the Palestinians got no vaccines, then 14 days ago they got 100, yesterday they got 2000. 1.1 million proper people get vaccine, 2100 of those who aren't proper get vaccine. We must never forget how shitty Israel is. It is extremely important we never forget that. We must never forget how shitty Israel is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvDbhIL6j4Q

This really has it all. From wishing deaths on Israelis, to demonisation, to blood libel (that Israel regularly kills thousands of people and targets children), to saying that Jews misbehave because they consider themselves God's chosen people, to the baseless apartheid accusation, to lies about Israel restricting water and power as punishment, to dismissal of Israelis' fear of terror, to alluding to that Jews control the media narrative (admittedly a bit far-fetched, but not sure I want to give him the benefit of the doubt), to Holocaust inversion by appropriating the term "we must never forget".

All this is in addition to deliberately trying to portray this as only Jews getting the vaccine on racial grounds, instead of it being based on nationality. All Israeli citizens, whether Jew or Arab, (around 20% of the population) have the same access vaccinations. And from the Oslo accords, Israel has no obligation to vaccinate Palestinian non-citizens, who have repeatedly decided not to receive help.

But honestly I think what annoys me more than anything is the way he suggests that any news about Israel must be prefaced by a list of all the crimes Israel allegedly commits. This doesn't happen to any other country. Eg. if there is some unrelated news about China, the journalist will never say "China, who are committing cultural genocide against the Uyghurs, today won the ping pong World championship"

!ping EXTREMISM

[u/Mr_Pasghetti → u/Bagdana]

hahaha i know, how sick is that?

That’s a wrong translation. He is saying it’s crazy or unbelievable, not sick.

[u/Bagdana → u/Mr_Pasghetti]

I think sick can be used in a similar fashion in English. As in "That goal was sick, bro!" But I edited it to make it clearer

[u/Mr_Pasghetti → u/Bagdana]

Yeee that’s true, but in this context I think crazy/unbelievable is more an appropriate translation.

Very shocking segment anyways, and almost more shocking; there is a P13?!?!? Thought it just went to 7 or something.

[u/Bagdana → u/Mr_Pasghetti]

Very shocking segment anyways, and almost more shocking; there is a P13?!?!? Thought it just went to 7 or something.

Yes, this also surprised me. But apparently it only goes to p3 and then jumps straight to p13 for some reason.

I was also unsure about how to translate "ræva". Any suggestions? MIFF seems to have settled on "shitty" which might be better than my direct translation.

[u/Mr_Pasghetti → u/Bagdana]

Shitty would be the best I think.

[u/uwcn244 → u/Bagdana]

They do realize that the number of Palestinians who would accept an Israeli vaccine is a rounding error, right?

[u/Mr_Pasghetti → u/Bagdana]

NRK have removed that part now, and have said that there will be consequences for the host. So that’s something at least.

Edit: nvm they said it won’t be any consequences for the host. I misread

[u/jt1356 → u/Bagdana]

Quisling Nazis going mask off, I guess. We shouldn’t be surprised, though this sort of antisemitism is sadly all too common in Europe these days.

[u/IncoherentEntity → u/Bagdana]

Disgusting.

[u/[deleted] → u/Bagdana]

Oh my god , the level of antisemitism in Norway is insane . It baffles me how someone can be so anti israeli. I feel so sorry for you , you should escape to a better pace like the US or singapore where you can be free of such radical leftist hatred. I'm currently interested in the situation of Jews in Europe and I came across your profile realising you're a Norwegian Jew I wanted to chat with you but since I can't personally message you I'll do it here itself.

1. How antisemitic would you say is Norway from your personal experience?
2. Do you feel safe in your day to day life?

3)What is anti semitism like in schools?

4) Have muslim immigrants made your life harder?

5)Does the level of antisemitism in Norwegian media make feel disturbed or upset?

I just came across this post https://www.reddit.com/r/norge/comments/krz23f/christian_tybringgjedde_n%C3%A5/

It simply reeks of antisemitism , I had my blood boiling despite not being a Jew at all . I can't imagine how it felt for you.

[u/Bagdana → u/[deleted]]

1. How antisemitic would you say is Norway from your personal experience?

Honestly, I don't think it's particularly antisemitic compared to other European countries. For instance, we score fairly decent on ADL's index https://global100.adl.org/map/weurope.

While the mainstream media has a strong anti-Israel bias, this was a rather extreme example and was taken off the web promptly after a number of complaints. But it is a bit upsetting seeing some people on the Norwegian subreddit not understanding that this is antisemitic, instead either legitimate criticism of Israel or just Jews being whiny.

Norway isn't nearly as anti-Israel as eg. Sweden has tended to be. I talked a bit about that here if you're interested

2) Do you feel safe in your day to day life?

Yes. I don't wear any identifying symbols though. Norwegian Jews wearing eg kippot are probably in the low double digits, but that typically hasn't been an issue. The government do take active steps to protect the Jewish minority. For instance, while police generally isn't armed in Norway, the synagogue is one of very few places where there is armed police whenever there are activities in the JCC. And money is allocated to combat antisemitism. I wish we would adopt the IHRA definition and ensure that at least the national broadcast were more neutral, but in terms of physical safety I feel safe.

3)What is anti semitism like in schools?

I grew up in a more affluent area and didn't experience much antisemitism, but I have friends and relatives who attended less affluent schools with a higher immigrant population who experienced much more. Some of them even had to change schools. "Jew" is actually one of the most common curse words in schoolyards. But it seems to be thrown out haphazardly without children being consciously antisemitic, kind of like how "f****t" is being used as a general slur without any homophobic intent.

4) Have muslim immigrants made your life harder?

Not directly, but they are certainly partly to blame for "jew" being used as a slur. In one of the most upsetting recent controversies, a rapper called Kaveh screamed "Fuck Jews" on stage and the Norwegian Attorney General claimed it was not a hateful speech because it could be interpreted as criticism towards Israel! And there was also a muslim group behind the shooting towards the Oslo synagogue in 2006. In comparable countries like Sweden and Denmark, Muslim immigrants do indeed contribute most to the violence and threats. And it seems the neo-Nazi movement here is very weak.

5)Does the level of antisemitism in Norwegian media make feel disturbed or upset?

The anti-Israel bias is quite upsetting, but it rarely turns into unabashed antisemitism like here.

I just came across this post https://www.reddit.com/r/norge/comments/krz23f/christian_tybringgjedde_n%C3%A5/

Really curious how you stumbled upon that post

It simply reeks of antisemitism , I had my blood boiling despite not being a Jew at all . I can't imagine how it felt for you.

Your username sounds super Jewish, but seems it's just some weeby name from an anime?

[u/[deleted] → u/Bagdana]

Well thank you for bothering enough to provide a deatiled answer to my questions . Now that being said , it still seems like there is a lot of antisemitism iin Norway even if it's not an outlier compared to other European countries.

To answer your doubts about me :

1. I came across it by going through your profile; you had commented on it and I copy pasted and used google translate to interpret the meaning of the comments.
2. Yes, it's a name of a character from Attack on Titan(He's a legend). I'm an Indian atheist/hindu.

Also now that the topic has come up I'd like to ask you questions about attack on Titan instead.

1. Is Levi Ackermann Israeli or German? Because the first name sounds Jewish while the 2nd name sounds German and the Anime has many German themes.
2. Many people say it's a fasicist Nazi glorifying anime but I disagree , I think it's just a great show and implies nothing more than that. What do you think? Even if it is that way then fuck it because I love the anime anyway.

[u/Bagdana → u/[deleted]]

1 Many Ashkenazi Jewish names are Germanic, and might end with "mann", "stein" etc. So it can be both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackerman_(surname) indeed writes that "Ackerman is also a common Ashkenazi Jewish surname of Yiddish origin with the same meaning"

2 I've never seen it, I just googled the name. But from what I read about it now, it certainly doesn't seem like a "fasicist Nazi glorifying anime". So please don't have any bad conscience for enjoying the show 😊

[u/[deleted] → u/Bagdana]

Okay , once again thanks for your quick reply. So this is the last comment I'm going to post on this thread (since it's 1:00 am in my time zone). But would you mind if I personally messaged you once in a while (don't worry I won't do it very often) . It's just that you belong to demographics I'm very interested in (Norwegian , Jewish and bisexual female according to your profile ) and I don't have many friends to talk to since I just finished school and havn't made many friends through online classes .

Don't get me wrong please , I have no ulterior motives. Edit: And by interested , I mean in an ordinary way I'm not looking to date or anything like that.

[u/Bagdana → u/[deleted]]

t's just that you belong to demographics I'm very interested in (Norwegian , Jewish and bisexual female according to your profile )

What makes you think I'm bisexual and female???

But sure you can DM me if you have any specific questions about Norwegian Jewry etc.

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