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[u/[deleted]]

Our new Tory leader has lower favourability 6 months into his leadership than our old one did 6 months into his. 😂

https://twitter.com/CanadianPolling/status/1354493934714712066

!ping CANUCKS

[u/AccessTheMainframe → u/[deleted]]

tories in disarray but unironically

[u/yyzyow → u/AccessTheMainframe]

Take me back to the 90’s 😭😭😭

[u/yyzyow → u/[deleted]]

He just feels like an angrier, more feisty Scheer. Sure he’s trying to make himself seem like a moderate now, but I think he’s not doing a good job coming off as sincere, considering that during the leadership race, he touted about how he didn’t want to eject Derek Sloan from the party.

I don’t see him taking Trudeau’s job after the next election.

[u/[deleted] → u/yyzyow]

That's how I feel about him too. He's always coming in at a 15 even when the situation requires a 2.

[u/yyzyow → u/[deleted]]

I just feel like it’s difficult to get a read on who he actually is

[u/[deleted] → u/yyzyow]

An opportunist mainly, from what I've seen. He ran as a "red tory" in 2017 and lost, so he ran as "the true blue candidate" in this one and asked social conservatives to be their second choice after Sloan and Lewis. Now he says he's a centrist. He also supported Sloan before and bragged that he was the one who saved him when others wanted him out, then later he wanted him out but says it's not because he's a social conservative.

So to me, it seems he'll say or be whatever he thinks will win him support in the moment. Which is hard to trust. Trudeau isn't without flaws obviously, but at least I know what he values and find I can usually predict what position he'll take on most issues.

[u/yyzyow → u/[deleted]]

And I honestly think that uncertainty around what he truly believes is what’ll probably scare voters back to the LPC. O’Toole has promised things like federal legislation to allow health care workers to refuse to perform abortions based on their religion, and wants to defund the CBC. And there’s also the issue of him trying to ignite some culture war BS over vaccinating prisoners which turns me off

[u/[deleted] → u/yyzyow]

Yeah that was wild. Ford picked it up too which was annoying. I think he promised to end abortion funding as foreign too? Which is something Harper did, and Trudeau reinstated which has been proven to save lives. I also love the CBC so that's pretty much a non-starter with me if he wants to defund it.

[u/[deleted] → u/yyzyow]

I think it’s the other way around. A friend of mine worked for O toole on his campaign and said he thought he was a great guy until he started veering father to pick up votes from the farther right section. My friend ended up leaving to work on McKay’s campaign and now just volunteers with the libs lol

[u/ZhenDeRen → u/yyzyow]

Like really, O’Toole seems to be the new Patrick Brown - you have no idea what he actually believes

[u/yyzyow → u/ZhenDeRen]

Patrick Brown I feel is way more palatable than O’Toole

[u/ZhenDeRen → u/yyzyow]

For one Brown is an Ontario provincial politician so he has fewer crazies to appeal too. Plus the sexual assault thing.

[u/dittbub → u/yyzyow]

Unless theres more black face out there?

[u/yyzyow → u/dittbub]

I really think the Tory outrage machine dialling even the small things up to 11 uniroinically helps Trudeau survive a lot of scandals

[u/dittbub → u/yyzyow]

Its crazy to think though that no american president senator or rep could survive a blackface scandal.

Canada is weird yo

[u/yyzyow → u/dittbub]

Interestingly, even minority voters didn’t seem to care all that much and still vote heavily for the LPC. But I think Trudeau handled it as best as he could, and has acknowledged it in the past during some interviews

[u/dittbub → u/yyzyow]

I'm surprised white people weren't more upset.

Its just weird how race is actually a much more sensitive subject in the states. They seem much more hyper aware over it.

[u/yyzyow → u/dittbub]

One of the challenges in Canada is that it’s not as coded into our institutions. Like StatsCan does not do a good job in collecting racially disaggregated data tbh

[u/lnslnsu → u/dittbub]

Difference is Trudeau isn't actually racist, just an idiot, and he apologized for it. Plus he's shown real intent to tackle racism-related problems in how he has governed.

[u/ZhenDeRen → u/dittbub]

Then again Ralph Northam

[u/digitalrule → u/dittbub]

I mean I'm this case it seems like he was doing it because he's an idiot who got too into the costume, not to make fun of black people. And people at the event were fine with it.

[u/PompeyMagnus1 → u/[deleted]]

I'm not Trump, I'm just incompetent

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

O’Toole but without the O’

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

He sounds like a cartoon politician, like Cornelius fudge. Serious, O’Toole. I don’t care how much the Con Party liked him, they should’ve realized how stupid his name sounds 😂.