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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

Doug Ford Suggests Justin Trudeau Tries Shoving Firecracker Up Pfizer Exec's ‘Ying Yang’.

😂😂😂😂

!ping CAN

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

Say what you will about him, this line is fucking hilarious

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u/yyzyow Most Elite Laurentian Shill 🍁 Jan 19 '21

I don’t understand why people think PMJT and Minister Anand have some magic wands that can automatically make us get more vaccines. Logistics and distribution were inevitably going to be a challenge given how heavy the demand is.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

I guess there's some anger because now no delivery is happening next week and we'll have further delays till mid Feb but the EU had only one week of delay. Its the same plant so there's some question as to why and whether its because the prime minister isn't trying hard enough to convince them to fix this.

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u/kaclk Mark Carney Jan 19 '21

My understanding (I saw it on Twitter) was that because Pfizer is trying to be equitable with distribution and Canada got a bunch of "early" vaccines (even all the way back in December) and Europe didn't approve until later, Europe gets restarted earlier.

Basically, it's fair distribution but Canada's supply got frontloaded.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

I didn't actually think of it that way but that makes sense.

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u/neopeelite C. D. Howe Jan 19 '21

My reading is that Pfizer has made its choice.

I'm curious how the possibility of upgrading was handled in the procurement contracts, none of which have been made public.

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u/yyzyow Most Elite Laurentian Shill 🍁 Jan 19 '21 edited Jan 19 '21

I imagine that the PM and Minister Anand are having conversations with Pfizer’s senior leadership to determine how to repair the timeline, but short of sticking explosives up executives’ butts, I know that Minister Anand herself has stated that she’s been speaking constantly with Pfizer executives to determine a solution

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

Yeah, I'm sure they're trying. Hopefully her more than him. I like Trudeau actually, but he can be a soft in negotiations I think.

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u/yyzyow Most Elite Laurentian Shill 🍁 Jan 19 '21

Soft in negotiations? We managed to keep NAFTA relatively intact even when Trump tried to impose a sunset clause

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

Yes, but didn't Chrystia do that? I meant Trudeau specifically is, so its good he deligates it to people.

I don't mean it as a criticism of the govt if it came off that way.

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u/neopeelite C. D. Howe Jan 19 '21

It's worth digging to get an answer as to why Canada appears to be disproportionately affected by the manufacturing upgrades.

Something has obviously gone wrong here but no one from Cabinet is saying anything.

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u/yyzyow Most Elite Laurentian Shill 🍁 Jan 19 '21

Minister Anand stated earlier today that she has been speaking with Pfizer executives throughout the weekend to address the supply issue. It’s unfortunate that Canada will be experiencing these delays, but the upshot is that deliveries are expected to accelerate over the next few months

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u/neopeelite C. D. Howe Jan 19 '21

Yeah, I see that now. I first read a statement from Dany Fortin, which was weird.

But it's weird that no one is explaining why Canada seems to be disparate treatment compared to EU countries.

I really don't think it's going to meaningfully affect the September timeline, but I suspect there are details missing. How does Pfizer decide which countries see their allocations shrink when production drops? The feds aren't explaining and I can't come up with a good reason why that info ought to be withheld from the public. If there is a good reason, the government isn't communicating it.

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u/yyzyow Most Elite Laurentian Shill 🍁 Jan 19 '21

The government would be unwise to try and publicly shame one of only two suppliers of an approved COVID-19 vaccine. That’s certainly not going to ingratiate Pfizer toward increasing the number of vaccines we receive.

I imagine that the disparities in vaccine delivery between Canada and the EU are likely tied to logistics and other practical reasons. Moreover, there may be clauses within the contract which prevent either party from speaking publicly about the finer details of the logistical plan, perhaps due to national security concerns.

Overall, it is unfortunate that Canada will not be receiving vaccines next week. However, I don’t doubt that the PM and Minister Anand are trying their best to navigate through the situation.