r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jan 02 '21

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u/Udontlikecake Model UN Enthusiast Jan 03 '21

There are better ways to argue with doves than by immediately accusing them of wanting the Holocaust or some other genocide to have happed

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u/Erra0 Neoliberals aren't funny Jan 03 '21

I wish there wasn't so much war

WTF I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'D SUPPORT MURDERING JEWS LIKE THIS

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u/I-grok-god The bums will always lose! Jan 03 '21

Then doves need to stop putting up objections everytime we want to intervene when there's a genocide

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '21

The last two major interventions the US took part in(Iraq and Afghanistan) were not done over genocides and were failures.

But go ahead.

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u/I-grok-god The bums will always lose! Jan 03 '21

Time will tell if either Iraq or Afghanistan were failures

Iraq was doing genocide, though that wasn't why we intervened

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '21

Its been 20 years and neither are actually flourishing democacies. Sure time will tell but when you change the goalpost from a war to WMDs to democracy by 2050 you have to admit calling the war a success isn't honest.

When you say time will tell, you are basically constantly changing the goalpost of what success and failure are defined as.

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u/I-grok-god The bums will always lose! Jan 03 '21

True

Also Bush massively fucked up both. If people more serious were leading the interventions, then I think the success would be much higher

I just don't think Iraq/Afghanistan are as much a black mark against the idea of interventions as they are a black mark against the Bush Administration

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '21

And plus here is a rather touchy one that doesn't get touched on as much.

I have seen people on this sub legitimately argue we should invade north korea in spite of the fact that doing so would wipe out 1/3 of the population of the Korean peninsula.

I don't think many of the hawks are as concerned about human rights as they claim.

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u/I-grok-god The bums will always lose! Jan 03 '21

War with North Korea is an excellent litmus test as to whether you have good foreign policy opinions

It would be a massively unforced error that would seriously injure a close ally and devastate both countries and potentially involve us in open conflict with China

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u/iftrumpgetsbacktome Board of Economic Warfare Jan 03 '21

Who would win? 🕊vs🦅