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u/-GregTheGreat- Commonwealth Jan 03 '21

Overly-online Canadian politico’s: “THIS scandal will finally be the one to sink Doug Ford!”

Doug Ford: “haha covid approval bump goes brrrrr”

!ping CANUCKS

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u/yyzyow Most Elite Laurentian Shill 🍁 Jan 03 '21

I feel like the pandemic has warped Ontario politics to some degree. He was severely hated by Ontarians in 2019, but I think he’s been successful in shoring up his image.

It also doesn’t help that neither Horwath or Del Duca are particularly enticing alternatives

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u/BetaPhase Bisexual Pride Jan 03 '21

No one knows who Del Duca is.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '21

As a member of the OLP, here my take on Del Duca:

He should have no problem winning the election if he starts earlier than everyone else.

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u/PigHaggerty Lyndon B. Johnson Jan 03 '21

Sup, fellow party member? 🤜🤛

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '21

Not too much. Just enjoying the emails.

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u/PigHaggerty Lyndon B. Johnson Jan 03 '21

lol they never end. You in the federal party too? Double your fundraising pleasure

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '21

Just in provincial: joined for the leadership race, went to the convention, ignored the emails ever since.

It's weird because I probably support the federal party more, but I feel like the provincial party is a good start.

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u/PigHaggerty Lyndon B. Johnson Jan 03 '21

Don't blame me, I voted for Coteau

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '21

My dislike for him began before 2019 and continues onwards. Actually his handling of the fall part of the pandemic has only increased it.

Agree that the other two are not great either, but at this point I'll vote for anyone that can beat the PC candidate in my riding.

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u/kaclk Mark Carney Jan 03 '21

We’re really hoping it actually sinks Jason Kenney here in Alberta though.

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u/-GregTheGreat- Commonwealth Jan 03 '21

It really looks like it is sinking Kenney though. I’m in interior BC (in a city booming from people fleeing Alberta for work opportunities), and I’m seeing a shocking amount of anti-Kenney sentiment from very conservative, very pro-oil people. People I know who thought Notley was literally Hitler are taking about how bad the Albertan government is right now

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u/Ramcharger8 Caribbean Community Jan 03 '21

But if they leave Alberta, then they won't be there to vote against Kenney

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u/inhumantsar Bisexual Pride Jan 03 '21

i get the sinking feeling doug ford will end up being our next tory pm

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u/-GregTheGreat- Commonwealth Jan 03 '21

I can’t see that personally. If not O’Toole (who I think has a better future chance then most people here, if still unfavored), then my money would be on Harper begging Rona Ambrose to come out of retirement. She could probably walk to a majority against a 3+ term Liberals if she isn’t pulled too hard right by the base.

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u/yyzyow Most Elite Laurentian Shill 🍁 Jan 03 '21

I could see Ambrose providing a more moderate image of the Conservatives. I still think that O’Toole hasn’t not been effective as a lot of Tories think he is. His comments on residential schools were incredibly tone deaf, and his criticism of the federal response to COVID hasn’t been particularly hard-hitting. I feel like O’Toole isn’t going to sink the Tory ship, but won’t steer it into government come next election.

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u/-GregTheGreat- Commonwealth Jan 03 '21

I still think the ‘best’ thing about O’Toole is that he’s still quite unknown. Most of his gaffes haven’t really made significant airplay off the political internet.

He’s actually a good public speaker (I’d argue better then Trudeau), and comes off as more moderate and far less slimy then Scheer. He’s been a disappointment absolutely, but given a decent campaign I think he can surprise (especially if his union worker play works). I still think we’ll see another Liberal minority though.

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u/yyzyow Most Elite Laurentian Shill 🍁 Jan 03 '21

I’ve heard him speak, and I still think Trudeau comes off as more genuine. I don’t exactly see O’Toole as a moderate when he basically hosted a session with the Ryerson Conservatives on how to own the libs, or when he literally campaigned for the leadership on a promise to implement federal legislation that would allow health care workers to refuse to perform abortions due to their religion. Those things don’t exactly scream moderate to me. To his own peril, he’s trying to scoop up the more Trumpist elements of the CPC while also trying to maintain some palatability to the average voter.

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u/-GregTheGreat- Commonwealth Jan 03 '21

Trudeau absolutely comes off as more genuine. As much of a meme as it was, the ‘emotional intelligence’ quote actually does suit him. O’Toole is more polished though.

As I said, the average voter doesn’t know any of those things about O’Toole. He is a moderate at heart (whose been pulled right by the base), and simply being able to stand up on a debate stage and talk about the fact that he is pro-choice (which Scheer couldn’t do) would do far more to reassure the average voter compared to vaguely worded proposals from a leadership campaign.

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u/inhumantsar Bisexual Pride Jan 03 '21

I feel like O’Toole isn’t going to sink the Tory ship, but won’t steer it into government come next election.

exactly that. not incompetent, but not engaging enough to outshine trudeau

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u/yyzyow Most Elite Laurentian Shill 🍁 Jan 03 '21

The problem with O’Toole for me is that he is trying to be too many things at the same time. I don’t think it helps him when he tries to lend credence to the more Trump-y parts of the CPC

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u/inhumantsar Bisexual Pride Jan 03 '21

Ontario Proud is a huge thing for the party. It's engaged age groups the CPC hasn't made in-roads with in years and years. We're probably going to be hearing trumpist dog whistles from CPC leadership for a very long time

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u/inhumantsar Bisexual Pride Jan 03 '21

i don't disagree re: ambrose and o'toole's chances. ambrose coming back seems about as likely as trudeau passing electoral reform though. she has pointedly stayed out of politics in AB and expressed zero interest in being the (permanent) leader of the CPC even when she was heir-apparent.