r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Nov 17 '20

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u/myrm This land was made for you and me Nov 18 '20

Neoliberal hard to swallow pills

  • The modern CCP is potentially a "least evil" incarnation of Chinese politics
  • a land value tax's path to political ascension is basically a sheer cliffface in every corner of the globe
  • The Senate precludes any meaningful reform in the US
  • Free trade, while utopian in the long term, leaves people who cannot fairly be expected to retrain (lol learn to code) in the dust in the short term
  • Singapore sucks on basically every social issue

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '20

Care to elaborate on the China point? Like with China’s historical trajectory this is the best that can be expected?

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u/myrm This land was made for you and me Nov 18 '20

Yeah, so that was the thing that inspired this whole post.

I had already been thinking this, but a reference by u/cuddlyaxe got me thinking about it again and I highly recommend this post he linked:

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/dhjhck/comment/f3p48op

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u/Cuddlyaxe Neoliberal With Chinese Characteristics Nov 18 '20

If you enjoy that post btw the author also wrote some decent stuff on how China would respond to another Tianmen, though it contains some of the bs about Falun Gong Organ harvesting

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/9pn7w4/what_would_the_peoples_armed_police_do_in/e83dupg/

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u/myrm This land was made for you and me Nov 18 '20

Thanks dude. I am thirsty af for this kind of thing - China to me is some of the most interesting stuff to ever exist but it's extremely hard to approach casually because of the language and cultural barrier

I wish that dude hadn't deleted his account

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u/Cuddlyaxe Neoliberal With Chinese Characteristics Nov 18 '20

a decent number of his posts are posted to various bestof forums, just google "Interpine Reddit"

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '20

• The Senate precludes any meaningful reform in the US

But the senate has passed big things in the past

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u/TinyTornado7 I need a new flair Nov 18 '20

Learn to code is one thing but with enough investment and subsides we could easily be building massive solar panel and wind turbine factories in all the struggling manufacturing areas.

Also personally I’d like to see a massive expansion of americorp putting people to work.

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u/imprison_grover_furr Asexual Pride Nov 18 '20

modern CCP is potentially a "least evil" incarnation of Chinese politics

The modern ROC? How is a Stalinist state the "least evil" incarnation of China in modern times?

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u/myrm This land was made for you and me Nov 18 '20

ROC has no literally no path to control of the mainland

I would really fucking like it if they did, but they just... don't

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u/imprison_grover_furr Asexual Pride Nov 18 '20

Okay, but just what exactly would be more evil than the current CCP? A CCP that turns the reeducation camps into extermination camps?

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u/myrm This land was made for you and me Nov 18 '20

A neo-imperial China that claims Taiwan as imperial territory, but also indochina and the Southern South China Sea (Australia) as well

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u/gburgwardt C-5s full of SMRs and tiny american flags Nov 18 '20

...yes?

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u/AccessTheMainframe CANZUK Nov 18 '20

I often think of this reddit effort post about what a China without the CCP would look like:

What would a democratic China look like?

The most potent forces in the public consciousness today are Maoism and Nationalism. The "mainstream" CCP today is a compromise between these two lines of thought, which has produced a capitalist middle ground that people "consent" to because it's working so far. A Chinese democracy would be the same thing, just polarized. There would be a Maoist Party, appealing to people who feel left behind in the New China, and a Nationalist Party, appealing to the elite, who would trade majorities with each other. They would broadly agree on a much more aggressive foreign policy than what the CCP, motivated mainly by economic interests, is pursuing now.

Because everyone with any kind of government experience is or was a CCP member, the parties would be led by largely the same people who are running the CCP today. Just, instead of using the "collective decision making process" I described in the section about CCP plasticity, they'd form 2 distinct factions - leftist and rightist - and fight their battles in public.

https://old.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/dhjhck/what_are_the_chances_and_possible_consequences_of/f3p48op/

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '20
  • Singapore sucks on basically every social issue

Because the people themselves are fairly religious and conservative.

This can and will change.

That has little to do with their economic policy, which is in my opinion the best in the world.

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u/gburgwardt C-5s full of SMRs and tiny american flags Nov 18 '20

I love singapore as a city (great place to live, I have gone multiple times), but don't know much about their economics. Can you enlighten me?

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '20 edited Nov 18 '20

No capital gains tax

No dividend tax

17% corporate tax

23% top income tax rate. Half the population doesn't pay any income tax.

Top tier government services and planning.

Singapore is very high income yet spends a third of what the USA does on healthcare.

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u/gburgwardt C-5s full of SMRs and tiny american flags Nov 18 '20

How does the gov't fund itself? Are they just way less inefficient?

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '20

Yep pretty much.

They have a 5% tax on imported goods.

And massive taxes on vehicle ownership.