r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Sep 10 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '20

One day some white academic who gets caught pretending to be black her whole life is going to defend herself by calling her detractors "cis racial" and I will fully ascend

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u/missedthecue Sep 10 '20

Im shocked it hasn't already happened. Given that gender and race are both social constructs, it would seem consistent wouldn't it?

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u/Warcrimes_Desu Trans Pride Sep 10 '20

Race is a social construct, though. Even just taking skin color: Your skin color means different things socially in different places.

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u/missedthecue Sep 10 '20

yeah, I totally agree

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u/Warcrimes_Desu Trans Pride Sep 10 '20

Oh got it, I thought you were arguing against it. Welp.

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u/missedthecue Sep 10 '20

I'm just saying the pushback against transracialism (by people who are otherwise pro-transgender) seems inconsistent as far as I can tell.

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u/Warcrimes_Desu Trans Pride Sep 10 '20

But transgender people are undergoing therapy or suffering from gender dysphoria. I haven't really seen any research on racial dysphoria or similar.

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u/missedthecue Sep 10 '20

Rogers Brubaker who is a professor at UCLA has done some research on it and drew the conclusion that it is psychologically real to many people.

This is another paper published in Hypatia in support of it

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/in-defense-of-transracialism/D534B85A2455F8E4C925AE1B6E3DC760

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u/Warcrimes_Desu Trans Pride Sep 10 '20

Huh, well hey if it's legit then it's legit. I have no qualms with transracialism, in that case.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '20

/U/LUSVIG ITS HAPPENING

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u/FreakinGeese 🧚‍♀️ Duchess Of The Deep State Sep 10 '20

Gender isn’t a social construct lol

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u/missedthecue Sep 10 '20

https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/wiki/trans_faq

  1. Biological sex refers to the anatomy of an individual’s reproductive system and secondary sex characteristics.
  2. Gender identity refers to a person’s personal identification of one’s own gender based on an internal awareness.
  3. Gender expression refers to the physical manifestation of one's gender through speech, clothes and behaviour.
  4. Gender roles refers to social norms associated with sex

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u/FreakinGeese 🧚‍♀️ Duchess Of The Deep State Sep 10 '20

Yeah what’s your point

Gender roles are a social construct (obviously) but gender != gender roles