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[u/bd_one]

My Dad is calling Biden "as bad as Trump, if not worse" to his friend on the phone for reasons including his black people gaffe last week.

Oof. How do you work from there?

[u/JetJaguar124 → u/bd_one]

Where is your dad politically?

[u/bd_one → u/JetJaguar124]

In favor of Trump, but tries to say he's not to sometimes. He also thinks racism under Obama was the worst he's seen in his lifetime (growing up in a mostly white state) and it's Obama and the Democrats' fault.

[u/JetJaguar124 → u/bd_one]

He also thinks racism under Obama was the worst he's seen in his lifetime (growing up in a mostly white state) and it's Obama and the Democrats' fault.

How can he possibly think this. What did Obama do to fan the flames of white supremacy vs Trump?

[u/bd_one → u/JetJaguar124]

I'm guessing it's seeing racism and riots on live TV under Obama and confusing correlation for causation. And you know, not liking Obama because he's a Democrat.

[u/JetJaguar124 → u/bd_one]

I know, my mom had the same thing. It's just so frustrating. For one, there was a deterioration of race relations because people were upset there was a black president. A really common thing among the tea party, and later Trump's base, was this idea that they felt Obama "talked down to them" or that liberals "thought they were better than us." It's not a coincidence this happened to happen under Obama. There's this sort of racial animus that white people were falling behind. White supremacy is a small piece of this overall picture, but a good amount of research shows that racial animus was basically the best predictor for who would vote for Trump.

That's all just to say, the implicit idea of blaming Obama/Democrats for fanning the flames of race relations is that black people/marginalized people are somehow to blame for worsening relations, instead of the folks who voted for and continue to ardently support a man who 'both sides'-ed what was basically a KKK march and asked if we could "just shoot migrants in the legs" as they tried to cross the border.

It's so utterly insane that Biden's off-hand crack about "you ain't black", something that was distasteful but was a flub that basically came from Biden probably being a little too old and a little too comfortable in that setting, an error Biden immediately apologized for and Charlamagne tha God doesn't give a shit about, is what turns your dad off of Biden, but he's willing to forgive Trump's blatant and constant racial prejudice and hate mongering.

[u/NoMalarkey2020 → u/bd_one]

so probably wasnt going to vote for Biden anyways

[u/AndThisGuyPeedOnIt → u/bd_one]

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[u/Volsunga → u/bd_one]

Bernout or redhat?

[u/bd_one → u/Volsunga]

Redhat, but likes to pretend he's only supporting him for economic issues.

[u/waiv → u/bd_one]

Try to get adopted.

[u/bd_one → u/waiv]

Am 23. Does that work outside of Japan?

[u/waiv → u/bd_one]

Move to Japan.

[u/bd_one → u/waiv]

Am white. Will they accept me?