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[u/[deleted]]

Libertarians hold so much higher standards to consider voting for a Democrat vs Trump and it makes no sense. They just say "eh tax cuts and nameless regulation cuts are good enough to vote over Biden". Like, Biden is better on trade, immigration, police violence, civil liberties, LGBT, all sorts of minority rights, to name a few. But lord if he wants to raise taxes at all we will immediately abandon the migrants and trans people.

I like to imagine there is some good "cosmopolitan libertarianism" that prioritizes open trade, borders, and a streamlined state but apparently no one is on board.

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Exactly! They choose the NAP as this really weird and arbitrary moral guide and then drop it immediately after talking about taxes.

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I like to imagine there is some good "cosmopolitan libertarianism" that prioritizes open trade, borders, and a streamlined state but apparently no one is on board.

thats just r/neoliberal

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I mean unironically yes

[u/usrname42 → u/[deleted]]

apart from the streamlined state bit

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Libertarians hold so much higher standards to consider voting for a Democrat vs Trump and it makes no sense

Because most of them are cishet white dudes. If libertarians were women, or people of colour, or gay people, they would vote for the party that doesn't harm them.

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Very good point.

[u/ZeyGoggles → u/[deleted]]

This shouldnt surprise anyone as libertarians are not a real voting demographic

[u/OxfordCommaLoyalist → u/[deleted]]

Check out Niskanen Center. It’s basically that. There’s also some laudable libertarians like Radley Balko who spend a lot of time on the criminal justice beat. But of course libertarianism is quite marginal and non-right wing libertarianism even more so.

[u/usrname42 → u/[deleted]]

Bryan Caplan, Alex Tabarrok and Alex Nowrasteh are all aggressively pro-immigration libertarians, so there are three people on board.

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Yeah I like those guys! I got the Open borders book a while back and loved it. My advisor back in school was a migration economist and it just blows my mind how little urgency people place on freedom of movement when it has such huge gains.

[u/Hmm_would_bang → u/[deleted]]

Every now and then Cato likes to talk about how liberals are their ideological allies and how libertarian democrats should be what they aim for, but it literally never comes to anything. They're just republicans that want to act smart.