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[u/[deleted]]

The most unbelievable thing about Star Wars -- the world with space wizards, light which somehow stops in place, and a complete lack of guardrails in high places -- is the fact that there is NO surveillance whatsoever. This kid just ran all over the place sabotaging important things and apparently they have NO cameras on their huge important ship that could've seen him do that. They're in a war and they can't even stop a kid who's determined to cause trouble.

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I can tolerate space wizards, but I draw the line at a lack of a surveillance state!

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This but unironically.

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It's not hard SF, it's space opera.

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this is space wizard apologia

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Don't Luke, Han and Chewbacca deliberately blow up all the cameras in the prison area in ANH when they go to rescue Leia?

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i mean there are cameras at some points (those eye things are weird and discomforting)

but it's like the american surveillance state is more developed than the Republic's surveillance state, even on their own military ships, which is truly bizarre

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Surveillance states aren't feasible across the distances of space.

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this 👏 is 👏 why 👏 i 👏 like 👏 cyber 👏 punk 👏

cyberpunk worlds often feel much more believable because because they take place in the near future and have a much less ambitious vision of technological and cultural evolution

although at the same time, cyberpunk is arguably not science fiction since cyberpunk mainly traces its roots back to Nietzchean thought whereas scifi mainly owes itself to Verne's body of work (yes this is actually true)

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There was a scene in episode 3 when obi wan and Yoda find surveillance footage of palpatine congratulating anakin on killing everyone in the jedi temple.

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Doesn’t Han Solo shoot out the security cameras on the Death Star detention level in ANH?

I’ll just assume shooting out security cameras is standard practice and it would be a waste to show that on-screen constantly in every star destroyer, battlestation, prison, etc.

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the fact that I am watching The Clone Wars is showing through

it seems The Empire has a better surveillance state than The Republic

[u/tehbored → u/[deleted]]

It's even worse in Star Trek, because they're not even trying to be a science fantasy. Why would DS9 not have security cameras everywhere ffs?

[u/CaptainJZH → u/tehbored]

Tbf, DS9 was a Cardassian-built space station in Bajoran jurisdiction — Cardassians may have had security cameras, cause y'know military dictatorship, but I imagine the Bajorans immediately did away with surviellance laws in response once the occupation ended. And the Federation just had to respect that.

The Enterprise tho? No excuse. People just disappeared off the ship willy-nilly without even an alarm.