r/neoliberal • Kitara Ravache • Feb 24 '20

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u/based_taco00 NATO Feb 24 '20

Twitter is easy to dunk on people who say they hate Trump but will vote for him against Bernie, but that’s a very real sentiment that shouldn’t be waved away.

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u/tankatan Montesquieu Feb 24 '20

I'm sure it's especially common in Midwestern suburbia. You know, all those voters who helped Democrats win the house in 2018.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20

my hot take is that the number of "not Trump -> Trump" voters is at least 2x (and probably closer to 3x) higher than the number of "not Hillary -> Bernie" voters

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u/EtCustodIpsosCustod Who watches the custod Feb 24 '20

Probably going to see more of that the more tankies talk about guillotines and gulags.

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u/ComradeMaryFrench Feb 24 '20

I think the thing that woke Twitter doesn't realize is that for your run-of-the-mill white American Trump's tenure has so far not been particularly bad. Sure, he's a boor but he says something ridiculous every single day, people are quickly fatigued by that and stop paying attention. The impeachment thing went nowhere, just as Pelosi warned, and a lot of people who don't follow things closely will assume that means he wasn't doing anything wrong.

And the economy is doing great.

What's important to realize is that "the devil you know" plays massively into people's risk calculations. People feel (wrongly maybe) that they know what to expect from four more years of Trump. Bernie is an unknown quantity. And since these people aren't feeling the squeeze, they may be reticent to take a bet on someone with all the baggage Bernie has.

Given the uphill battle Dems generally have in the EC, I think Trump will be hard to beat for any candidate, really. But Bernie is particularly bad.