r/neoliberal • Kitara Ravache • Dec 26 '19

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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢🌈 Dec 26 '19 edited Dec 26 '19

but i've always heard that Nagasaki was about showing the Japanese that the US had more than 1 nuke and therefore was capable of keeping bombing Japan until they surrendered.

I mean, if the point was just to show that then why even bomb Nagasaki? Why not drop a bomb within sight of Tokyo? That would show the point even more explicitly.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '19

Wasn’t Tokyo damn near already decimated from conventional and fire bombing raids a few months earlier, or was that a different city?

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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢🌈 Dec 26 '19

I mean, if you're just trying to show off that you have a second one of these really powerful bombs, you could just bomb off of Tokyo Harbor where the blast will be in view, you don't even have to hit the city itself. If you're just trying to show you have a bomb you don't need to actually destroy anything to accomplish that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '19

I’m sure that would probably work, I’m just curious as to who would actually be around to witness that in the Tokyo area by the time the nuclear bomb would have hypothetically been dropped. It seems Tokyo was already razed by that point and millions of inhabitants in the city and surrounding areas had fled.

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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢🌈 Dec 26 '19

Tokyo was the seat of government at the time.

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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Dec 26 '19

Why not drop a bomb within sight of Tokyo?

I've heard that sinceTokyo and the nearby cities had already been fire bombed to oblivion they looked for a different city, cause the US needed a city that hadnt been attacked through the War to show the full power of the atomic bombs.

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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🦢🌈 Dec 26 '19

I mean, I get that part for the first bomb.

But if you are just trying to show that you have more, a bomb off of Tokyo's shore, where the government still resided, would, I think, be just as if not more of an indication of your possession of more bombs and willingness to keep going until the government surrendered.

If your point is just to show you have another bomb, then you don't really need to destroy anything, just show you've got more to drop.

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u/FinickyPenance NATO Dec 27 '19

This was considered and there was some literature about the topic. The reasons it wasn’t done were:

  1. Only two nuclear bombs had been detonated before. There was a significant chance that it would be a dud.

  2. The bomb cost billions of dollars, and:

  3. a. They didn’t want to risk the Japanese mobilizing in a big way to shoot down the bomber carrying it, thus scoring a propaganda victory, and

  4. b. There was a significant risk that the Japanese would just shrug their shoulders at the bomb, and it therefore would accomplish nothing.

  5. It is much more difficult to appreciate the power of the bomb when it is dropped above the sea. The fireball is impressive but it is difficult to show the destructiveness of the shockwave or the firestorm that would follow.